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@Bellum_Romanum Bro its a generational thing, America had tasted defeat before, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. It had produced great leaders to deal with problems and uncertainity afterward. What I'm afraid of with the advent of Social Media, leaders mostly unqualified is being elected for instant gratification, it had become a norm (MSM had become part of the problem), instead of needed sacrifice to overcome and solved the ills of society.
manqiangrexue
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The minute the Chinese people turn on their ruling class is the minute the Pentagon pops open all of the champagne because that is the death of China's rise. The romance of a people equal to each other without leadership or an outstanding rich elite is a defunct utopian fantasy that always ends in disaster, for the only countries that have no rich are those where every one is poor and destitute. The most common contribution that a Chinese person can make to China is to fight and struggle as hard as he can to try to join the rich elite because regardless of his success or failure, that is the best way for the Chinese system to harness his energy for national growth. If he takes the ruling class and the rich elite as his enemies and acts against them, he acts as a dog of the West and will end up incarcerated for his crimes against the nation. The ruling elite with their companies and their national plans are the spear-tip of any nation's rise and the people are the force driving that spear. If they work together, the spear thrusts forward to advance the nation and defeat its adversaries; if they fight against each other, both will become useless nonsense. And if they are defeated, those who were victorious over them will declare themselves a superior race over them; racism is decided by the winners, not the losers, and while the way to be a winner is complicated and difficult, a clear way to be a loser is to embrace traditional socialism and overthrow the smartest people in the country who know what they're doing just because their knowledge and innovative capacity makes them rich.
The Chinese people would be mistaken to concern themselves with any greater global good of whether some yellow or white tyrant or fair ruler, whatever is better; we just need to know that no matter what, for us Chinese, China on top is best.
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Mr T
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I'm not sure why Lukashenko did this. Roman Protasevich isn't the leader of the Belarus Opposition, even if he is an activist with a profile. Locking him up doesn't deal a significant blow to the movement against Lukashenko. Contrast that with the completely understandable and predictable response from the EU and other NATO countries that hijacking a plane en route from one EU city to another is unacceptable.
Maybe Lukashenko thinks he will get away with it, but it seems a very strange gamble to make. It may say something about his state of mind, i.e. that he's no longer entirely sane.
So you're saying China would have been better off if the CCP had been defeated in its insurrection against the Nationalist government - or it was still an absolute monarchy?
If you want to argue that the overthrow of the Nationalists was a mistake because it set China back, and that you only support the CCP because it is in power now, that is a brave statement that I might not agree with but can respect to a degree. But if you were to say that all the revolutions up until now were justified but that there can be no more then I would struggle to understand your POV.
The thing about the elite is that by definition they are the minority. Elites can only exist if there are people around to clean their houses and cook their meals - normally on low wages. Rich people do not pay their maids $100,000 a year.
It is not possible for more than a tiny number of Chinese to join the elite, and usually these will be people who are related to or close friends with those who are already wealthy and powerful. China is not a meritocracy, nor can it be under its current political system. So the idea that people can rise to the top if they're clever enough is largely a myth in that part of the world. Guanxi is king, and the vast majority of Chinese do not have nearly enough.
Oh jesus, the irony of that statement when China is ruled by a Communist party. If you'd been in the KMT in the 1920s and 1930s, Mao would have had no chance.
Another thing about the elites is that although they tend to get capital for something, they then pay ordinary people as little as possible to make things for them. A billionaire doesn't actually make their products personally, and they usually do little to no coding themselves. Sometimes they have the specific idea for a product, but they pay other people to make it suitable for mass manufacture. Those other people are the ones that have the ideas and work hard, not the elites.
So I have no idea why you think elites are these super-smart or super-capable people. They're just those best placed to use the system to print money for themselves.
None of this means Chinese people should hate wealth or successful individuals. However, they also have no reason to defer to or trust them.
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I am truly amazed with the behaviour of those tiny Baltic states... they are akin to some kind of chilly, the tinier the spicier. In a much sane world things like this should not happen.
Just reading news, casual readers may easily forget how big these states are. They are making themselves the great waves, the great c....f....
didn't you know.
For them Palestinians are not humans
So no Human Rights for them!
OK lets go back for HK, and Xinjiang sanctions
The hypocrisy is real in Brussels and Washington DC.