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manqiangrexue
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Yikes, you are terrible at learning new concepts. You cannot demand that a country just rise up and build the most powerful military on earth. There is a process to doing that in a sustainable fashion. I've already demonstrated that in my previous posts but you don't want any of that process; you only want the aggressive caveman end-stage to build the biggest military as fast as possible to intimidate your neighbors with. Ironically, all the nations that have approached it that way have failed and all who have succeeded have went through the whole process to gradually build and sustain an elite modern military with a stable and gargantuan economy and technological sector.
It's what they need to achieve the fastest military buildup on earth. What do they get for spending more? This is where the CCP has calculated that the industry can absorb and any further will result in increasingly severe diminishing returns. This is where you have calculated nothing but want a number that you think looks better/scarier/more intimidating. Demanding to raise the budget (even though they don't stick to official budgets) despite self-admitting to not know how much to spend (other than randomly making up numbers) or any inner workings of the PLA is criminally stupid.
Once again, diminishing returns. Once you have saturated the monetary needs of your researchers and industry, pouring more money is not the answer. I doubt that any reasonable budget was denied to Chinese teams who say that they can efficiently turn this money into a military advantage. Reread, "The higher your military spending, the less you have to develop your economy with. The less you have to develop your economy with the less tomorrow's economy will be able to sustain a military build-up." You don't know anything about the current status of these things that you mention but you just want more because you have no patience and don't understand that it's a process to become the world's strongest nation instead of just spending as much as you can afford on the military. "Why isn't China the most powerful now? Why can't we bully/intimidate this/that country now? I want everything now!" That's all your mind is limited to.
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solarz
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If we look at world history, military dominance of a region is always temporally fleeting. Most empires built on military conquest crumbled in a few decades. For most of their existence, the Roman empire struggled against invaders. Likewise, in pretty much every Chinese dynasty, military supremacy lasted only a couple of generations, at most. The rest of the time, the dynasty was either building up, or falling into decline.
I once read someone who wrote that although Han Wudi defeated the Xiongnu, that military victory set the Han dynasty on a path of decline. Wudi was the peak of Han dynasty power, so there is some truth to that.
The simple reality of the world is that it is far easier to work on surpassing a rival than it is to prevent all possible rivals from surpassing oneself. We just need to look at current events to see this. China only needs to work on surpassing the US, while the US needs to work on containing China, Russia, and Islamic terrorism.
I once read someone who wrote that although Han Wudi defeated the Xiongnu, that military victory set the Han dynasty on a path of decline. Wudi was the peak of Han dynasty power, so there is some truth to that.
The simple reality of the world is that it is far easier to work on surpassing a rival than it is to prevent all possible rivals from surpassing oneself. We just need to look at current events to see this. China only needs to work on surpassing the US, while the US needs to work on containing China, Russia, and Islamic terrorism.
Propaganda at it's best by the western MSM. A knife attack incident in South West China. MSM decided to use Hong Kong police with guns photos because it looks more menacing to do so.
If there is a border conflict it is almost always related to the British or the Soviets. I am sure they arranged the borders like that so the newly independent nations would never prosper.
Talibams are smart in that they dont want dead Americans and then the US getting pressured to remain there and take "revenge"
Its best for everyone that no more Americans die so that they can leave as fast as possible
Chinese military spending is and has been at a consistent 2% of GDP for the past 20+ years, as per SIPRI.
And a modest increase to 2.5% is affordable.
But ask yourself, what use is it?
Such a level of military spending isn't enough to overawe or intimidate the USA in terms of conventional military power.
For that, you would need for China to outspend the US in terms of military spending.
And China would need an economy that is twice the size of the USA, so that the US understands they cannot win a military arms race.
Also remember that the current Chinese military spending is funding a high level of military modernisation in China, from nuclear weapons to aircraft carriers.
Today and 2012... didn't age well, Jai Hind!
A country the size of China will not fall due to external threats, but internal ones. The Soviet Union was not militarily conquered but fell due to economic stagnation and internal discontent.