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pmc

Colonel
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Well China exports more to EU because Chinese workers work harder (albeit I am totally against 996), and Chinese firms make better EVs and other consumer goods through entrepreneurship. The EU over-regulates everything and spoils its own workers like babies (with lavish welfare they disincentivise hard work and entrepreneurship). EU is an example of how NOT to implement socialism by making citizens lazy, fat, entitled, and spoiled. So if market competition were fair and free form protectionism, China’s trade surplus would be much more than $113 billion. Chinese EVs and rail equipment would have driven every European businesses in the same field into the Atlantic Ocean with no chance of survival. But it is only protectionism and the LACK of free trade that is protecting Europe’s lazy workers and zombie industries. If European workers could only work as hard and encourage entrepreneurship like their American counterparts, they would have been much more innovative and efficient. They don’t even have to adopt the 996 hellscape of China, South Korea and Japan. Just be more conservative Murican would have been enough.

So this goes back the grand logic of those controlling the pinnacle of strategic supply chain would usually advocate for free trade, whilst those who have either fallen behind or needed to catch up with their own infant industries would support protectionism, import substitution and Listian industrial policies.
The word import substitution is not minor engineering work. It is too improve already existing production and product for local conditions and free from import dependencies. Just think about this for minute when you apply to Auto industry giants like GM or Ford.
The word Arabian standard rings the bell. It is not just Oil. Saudi bought Beverly Hills and Bel Air and they like and not like alot of things in Los Angeles and this preferences directly transfer over to Japanese. so much that Toyota second largest export market after North America were Royal Kingdoms. A relentless pursuit of perfection on an endless journey. this is associated with a brand.

 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Here is the problem with your analysis. You are equating Chinese industrial success with actual Chinese government showing toughness when they get attacked by the EU or any other western country. Are they in any way comparable?

China's industry is successful because of many factors including its much lower GDP per capita and this lower cost of engineers and factory workers, huge population of STEM grads, massive govt investment, infra and so on.

That has nothing to do with how tough Chinese government is when they attacked by the west.

If EU attacks China with tariff on EVs, which is a new and high tech industry, and China only hits back by putting tariff on some EU farm goods, are they in any shape or form equal actions?

No, its China doing a much lower level attack on a good they don't need and that has no strategic significance.

If EU bans Huawei and ZTE using national security and China does nothing, Is China being tough?

EU nationalizes Nexperia and Italy takes back a few companies Chinese companies bought. When was the last time China took control of a European company in China?

What has China done to make Australia walk back on the massive anti-China attacks under Morisson? Huawei ban, national security legislation veto power, foreign interference law....the list goes on. Has Australia walked back any of those things? No. But China walked backed on its hidden trade restrictions on coal and iron imports. Again, chickening out.


Let's face it. China is a pragmatic, successful and slowly getting powerful country. But its completely timid against the west. That is the fact. Maybe because China keeps its head down that EU still allows Chinese cars, perhaps they would have banned them completely by now if China showed some spine. But the fact is, China still is too timid.

Successful without dignity, that is China.
Your reasoning and prescription sound an awful lot like those of a wannabe superpower: all rhetoric and feel-good nonsense without any consequential impact on the everyday lives of its people. You can deride and dismiss the Chinese government’s approach, but one cannot deny the reality that is happening on the ground, both domestically and internationally. To suggest smugly and quite erroneously that Chinese industry succeeded absent any role by the Chinese government is beyond comedy at this point.

International politics and geopolitics is not an MMA competition or a boxing match where you have to go for the literal knockout of your opponent whenever you are called out or challenged openly.
 

tamsen_ikard

Captain
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Your reasoning and prescription sound an awful lot like those of a wannabe superpower: all rhetoric and feel-good nonsense without any consequential impact on the everyday lives of its people. You can deride and dismiss the Chinese government’s approach, but one cannot deny the reality that is happening on the ground, both domestically and internationally. To suggest smugly and quite erroneously that Chinese industry succeeded absent any role by the Chinese government is beyond comedy at this point.

International politics and geopolitics is not an MMA competition or a boxing match where you have to go for the literal knockout of your opponent whenever you are called out or challenged openly.
As I said, China is successful but without dignity in the eyes of the west. That's why they can keep hitting China with confidence that the cost of hitting is low.

Expect more Nexperia like cases from the likes of EU and Australia and Canada and others. Cause China will be too pragmatic to hit back. Just the post before me is an example from Australia.

Expect more Tiktok like forced sale.

Expect more high tech bans.

Expect more Panama port like cases.

Too much pragmatism leads to even more attacks. Iran learned the hard way when they kept trying to be too pragmatic.

If China keep being pragmatic, they will be fleeced by the west again and again. They need to start hitting back with equal force now.

Good thing is China may have learned the lesson since Trump 1.0 and finally used the rare earth card. That was the first solid hit China has landed since ever.

We need more such actions. More equal force and they will learn to respect China. Respect will lead to peace. Wealth without respect means you get robbed.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
As I said, China is successful but without dignity in the eyes of the west. That's why they can keep hitting China with confidence that the cost of hitting is low.

Expect more Nexperia like cases from the likes of EU and Australia and Canada and others. Cause China will be too pragmatic to hit back. Just the post before me is an example from Australia.

Expect more Tiktok like forced sale.

Expect more high tech bans.

Expect more Panama port like cases.

Too much pragmatism leads to even more attacks. Iran learned the hard way when they kept trying to be too pragmatic.

If China keep being pragmatic, they will be fleeced by the west again and again. They need to start hitting back with equal force now.

Good thing is China may have learned the lesson since Trump 1.0 and finally used the rare earth card. That was the first solid hit China has landed since ever.

We need more such actions. More equal force and they will learn to respect China. Respect will lead to peace. Wealth without respect means you get robbed.
As I said but you cannot rebut, China is the main factor of fear in the eyes of the West especially after Trump's Beijing begathon. We can expect more forced sales, tech bans and port robberies etc... because even though they fear China, they are desperate and fear more what would happen after China takes over and the West is no longer given the privileges and benefits of being seen as the dominant global force. They are willing to further damage themselves for any chance to stall this result, even if they constantly damage themselves without anything to show for it. You have confused the kicking and thrashing of an antelope caught in the jaws of a lion with purposeful attack against a defenseless target.

Your definition of dignity is MAGA level; whomever is louder at the shouting match is more dignified. A man who does not answer an insult with a greater insult but with results against his enemy is, by their definition, not dignified. Cultured people look at reasons and results.
 

supersnoop

Colonel
Registered Member
As I said, China is successful but without dignity in the eyes of the west. That's why they can keep hitting China with confidence that the cost of hitting is low.

Expect more Nexperia like cases from the likes of EU and Australia and Canada and others. Cause China will be too pragmatic to hit back. Just the post before me is an example from Australia.

Expect more Tiktok like forced sale.

Expect more high tech bans.

Expect more Panama port like cases.

Too much pragmatism leads to even more attacks. Iran learned the hard way when they kept trying to be too pragmatic.

If China keep being pragmatic, they will be fleeced by the west again and again. They need to start hitting back with equal force now.

Good thing is China may have learned the lesson since Trump 1.0 and finally used the rare earth card. That was the first solid hit China has landed since ever.

We need more such actions. More equal force and they will learn to respect China. Respect will lead to peace. Wealth without respect means you get robbed.
The TikTok deal was widely seen as a massive win for ByteDance. They retained a significant share of TikTok USA, all the algorithms are retained by the China HQ, and they got a big pile of cash, all for some insane political retard points.

High Tech bans have been a total poop show. Dear Leader Justin Trudeau proudly banned Chinese EVs, gave a pile of money to foreign (but western) companies to build EV factories, and everything has gone into the toilet (which I suppose is the right place for poop) and all the companies have cancelled their EV plans and his successor went to China to sign an EV deal that was more generous than anticipated.
 

horse

Brigadier
Registered Member
Hence the think in the west that,

"if we keep hitting China, they won't hit back because they are too money hungry".
"If we ban this from China, they won't do anything cause their economy will lose all vitality without western companies, so they can't hit back"

China is seen as too pragmatic, too money hungry and thus easily hittable.

Okay, here is a question for you.

From this article, what does it demonstrate?

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A) Europe is being tough in protecting its industries.

B) Europe is swirling down the drain.

The answer is pretty obvious.

Haha!

:p
 

temporary1

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Okay, here is a question for you.

From this article, what does it demonstrate?

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A) Europe is being tough in protecting its industries.

B) Europe is swirling down the drain.

The answer is pretty obvious.

Haha!

:p
This regulation is actually a disaster for EU industry.

These idiot bureaucrats who never did any actual work in their life think that industry work is some kind of Tetris game or whatever. It's an absolute disaster and it will further damage their industries, will make everything too expensive.

Imagine having to split your well-optimized supply chain and have to have duplicates suppliers or not vertically integrated suppliers lol
 
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