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Brigadier
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That's because Russia unable to go with the west that's why Russia still keep good relation with china.
They always have the option of being irrationally anti China even to their own detriment like Iran, India or Vietnam. If you can trust them to be coldly self interested then that is already 100000x better than actual hostile countries which hate you no matter what.
 

Breadbox

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Mao wasn't even afraid to go to war against the USSR at the time during sino-soviet split, and especially due to the soviet land grabbing and border disputes that followed, and China wasn't even strong at that time.

I am very sure the disparity now is way better for us than before, let alone in the future. And those lost lands are not really worthless, we only say that to make ourselves feel better
Nazi Germany begging the Allies to declare war on eachother in 1944. You guys don't like eachother in the past remember??? Remember???

It's a timewasting red herring that's only brought up by generic Westoids and the so called "Chinese libs"(Who have degenerated to point of being incapable of making points in good faith, only baits and red herrings).

Everyone here knows and remembers history and we know who the real enemy is. They couldn't stop bragging about how they are China's enemy in the past and they won't shut up about it now. Frankly this post is more attention than this red herring deserve, complete waste of time.

At no point do China choose enemies based on past transgressions, its enemies choose China and insists upon doing so to this day.
 
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Current day security and economic concerns trumps past history. During the 20th century, the biggest fear of British and American strategists was the unification of German industry with Russian resources. If a single state that comprised of both Germany and Russia were to emerge, such a state would have the power to dominate the entirety of Europe (and Asia) while rendering British and American maritime power completely impotent. China's biggest strength is its manufacturing capability, and it's largest vulnerability is dependence on maritime trade routes to bring in the vast amounts of resources needed to feed its industrial behemoth. On the other hand, Russia control vast expanses of land rich in energy, minerals, and other resources needed for industry, but lack the ability to manufacture the full range of modern day industrial and consumer goods that is own industry and society requires. Thus a perfect economic synergy exists between Russia and China economically. Furthermore, Russia and the Central Asian states form the northern portion of the BRI, which enables China to access not only the resources of these countries, but also allows China to access the markets of Europe, the Middle East, and Africa solely via secure overland trade routes.

Blessed in terms of natural geography, natural barriers protect much of China from invasion. The two historical routes of invasion into China proper were from the North or from the sea. A non-friendly Russia would necessitate the allocation of a substantial amount of resources to defending against invasion from the North, as was the case during the 1970s. Having a friendly Russia along the northern border allows China to focus its attention and resources solely on the maritime invasion route, mainly through building up its navy and long range air force. Likewise, friendly relations with China allows Russia to focus entirely on its Western borders, and frees up Russian military resources from the Eastern military districts.

Chinese should never forget history: the loss of the territories of Northern Manchuria, Mongolia, and Tannu Tuva, and the atrocities committed against Chinese peasants in Manchuria. These events should serve as a reminder of what happens to a nation that has become weak and backwards and powerless to defend itself. However, past historical mistakes should never get in the way of current security and economic needs.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Armed sale may not,
Then why bring it up?
but joint military exercise
Do you know how many joint military excercises encompass countries basically just shaking hands symbolically? Once again, what did Russia do when India was getting its ass kicked by Pakistan? Nothing. They didn't say anything to anyone, didn't ask China to ask Pakistan to stop, just told India that they have more expensive weapons for sale if they want.
and Bringing India into SCO is. SCO is not meaningful for security because of that
Shit, nobody knew for sure what kind of country India would be like in the SCO; that China accepted means that China also wasn't much wiser at the time.
that is all i needed to hear. the other guy nitpick the semantic I used out of context just to make a false point against me and i have a right to call it out. sinkiang and xinjiang are the same thing at the end of the day, but many of the things i referred to happen when it is called sinkiang.
OK, I usually don't like to ask people who they are; I just target their points.
If japan returns our diaoyu islands and apologized for ww2 with subsequent appropriate actions, or if the UK return all our artifacts and apologized, our modern relations no doubt wouldn't be poor at all. My only question is what did Russia do, especially with regards to all the stolen lands and genocides, that deserve a truthfully good relations?
Japanese apology is worth nothing. UK return of artifacts is worth just a museum display. When I say that their actions must align with their words, I mean what Russia is doing today, which is giving the US/West a gigantic headache so they can't focus on China. That's the action that counts. Japan/UK can stuff their sorries in a sack (Seinfeld ref); their actions need to fight against the US/West for them to be considered worthy of forgiveness.

Russia needs not say one word, not one apology; words are all worthless. But when they defend us from our enemy's strikes and they strike at our enemies, all is forgiven and we are brothers.
Right now we are just temporarily pushed together due to circumstances and nothing more.
Right now is what matters. Right now dictates the future.
I hate this irrational glazing of Russia, i did that when I was much younger when I didn't know shit.
We don't forget but we forgive and move on. That is the right attitude.
 
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henrik

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I think Russia's friendship with India is very overrated. Even more so when Russia found out India was selling it's oil to Europe to earn a profit. They can say stuff on screen but judging from their actions, Russia is not gonna step in to help India as shown in 2020.

That said I'm pissed they allowed India to enter stuff like SCO and BRICS.

How come the US is not complaining when Europe is buying Russian oil from India?
 

A potato

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I agree with your assessments, but the good relations with Russia is only surface level. Remember that Russia is one of the colonisers during the century of humiliation and committed crimes against humanity against us, why should all these crimes be forgotten? they literally still hold our lands, and so does many ex-soviet countries. Balkanised outer mongolia from us, and the original creator of ETIM terrorist movement back when they invaded sinkiang.


I agree, but as I said, I am talking very far into the future. Maybe even multiple centuries even.

But the main idea here is that their crimes should never be forgotten, just like what the French and British did to us, and of course Japan. What makes
The Qing Dynasty was the biggest dynasty and the fact that we kept the vast majority of the land it is a miracle itself. Outer Manchuria maybe one of our historic territories but it was only briefly and it's a barren wasteland so why bother. If China were to territorially expand than all of Myanmar would be far more logical because the culture is pretty conncected (Kachin and Shan state is practiclly identical with Yunnan) and the people refer China as paukauw which means brother. Russia and China both solved the border and everything is pretty much forgiven for now. I emphesive for now, because if Putin is replaced with a pro western leader, than yeah it would mean old grievences would rise up. Don't forget even it wasn't the kindness our of their hearts the Russian stood by us by provided China with actual aid during the Early stages of the Japanese while France, UK and the US supported Japan pre Pearl Harbor.
 
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FriedButter

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The only strategic value in taking this land would be Vladivostok (which admittedly does have significant strategic and economic value). More importantly, Russia's massive strategic arsenal presents an enormous risk which cannot be mitigated or managed in the foreseeable future. Russia would need to either collapse or descend into civil war before such an operation would be feasible.

Vladivostok Region does kinda act like a shield for China unintentionally. If China still had control over Outer Manchuria then any scenario with the ROC would have to factor in major security concern over Outer Manchuria. As it would be likely the Western Powers and their Allies would attempt an invasion to divert forces away from an ROC front. They may consider the open seas of eastern Japan more palatable than the waters around South Korea or the small Philippine islands for massing their assets.
 

Randomuser

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The Qing Dynasty was the biggest and the fact that we kept the vast majority of it is a miracle itself. Outer Manchuria maybe one of our historic territories but it was only briefly and it's a barren wasteland so why bother. If China were to territorially expand than all of Myanmar would be far more logical because the culture is pretty conncected (Kachin and Shan state is practiclly identical with Yunnan) and the people refer China as paukauw which means brother. Russia and China both solved the border and everything is pretty much forgiven for now. I emphesive for now, because if Putin is replaced with a pro western leader, than yeah it would mean old grievences would rise up.
Even if it's a barren wasteland, it's not for Russia to take.

The only reason outer Mongolia etc is even a thing is because it's simply not feasible to fight over it right now given Russian strength.

However that's for the future to decide. Not now. If you don't deal with the current threat at hand properly, there is no future to think about. China had to waste a lot of resources protecting the north. Right now it doesn't have to do that and should take advantage of that while it can.
 
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