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resistance

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Russia isn't a treaty ally of India or Vietnam nor do they have bases in India or Vietnam.
Neither does Ukraine, India to US or EU. But intention are clear like India.
You're seeing things. What military alliance? When Pakistan destroyed the IAF in Sindoor, did the Russians even fart? Russia, just like China, maintains good surface relations with any military that is friendly towards it. Nothing more. If Russia were to fight China, the nuclear option would be the only way. India is a power large enough to act without Russian influence and they can choose their path. Vietnam's not even relevent.
Russian send s400 to India, that supposed to be best air defense they give like how US give F35 to their closely related.
Can you tell me why would Russia even bring India into SCO? It does not served Russia security when friendly relation with china achieved
This demonstrate intention of Russia on china?
 

manqiangrexue

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Russian send s400 to India, that supposed to be best air defense they give like how US give F35 to their closely related.
This demonstrate intention of Russia on china?
Demonstrates what I said before: Russia seels to whomever has money to buy them. Nobody gave anybody anything. Currently, Russia is China's brother; they'd be China's wife if they said that all weapon sales need to be approved by China to ensure that Russian profits do not supercede Chinese interests. Even China would be shocked if any country threw themselves at our feet like that.
 

resistance

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Demonstrates what I said before: Russia seels to whomever has money to buy them. Nobody gave anybody anything. Currently, Russia is China's brother; they'd be China's wife if they said that all weapon sales need to be approved by China to ensure that Russian profits do not supercede Chinese interests. Even China would be shocked if any country threw themselves at our feet like that.
Armed sale may not, but joint military exercise and Bringing India into SCO is. SCO is not meaningful for security because of that
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Neither does Ukraine, India to US or EU. But intention are clear like India.

Russian send s400 to India, that supposed to be best air defense they give like how US give F35 to their closely related.
Can you tell me why would Russia even bring India into SCO? It does not served Russia security when friendly relation with china achieved
This demonstrate intention of Russia on china?
Russia also sold S-400 to China though.

Will US sell F-35 to China?
 

Expert1324

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It doesn't outright disprove you as a Chinese person;
that is all i needed to hear. the other guy nitpick the semantic I used out of context just to make a false point against me and i have a right to call it out. sinkiang and xinjiang are the same thing at the end of the day, but many of the things i referred to happen when it is called sinkiang.
History is not an issue; today and tomorrow are issues. History is only an excuse to be an issue when modern relations are poor.
If japan returns our diaoyu islands and apologized for ww2 with subsequent appropriate actions, or if the UK return all our artifacts and apologized, our modern relations no doubt wouldn't be poor at all. My only question is what did Russia do, especially with regards to all the stolen lands and genocides, that deserve a truthfully good relations?

Right now we are just temporarily pushed together due to circumstances and nothing more. I hate this irrational glazing of Russia, i did that when I was much younger when I didn't know shit.
 
National economic, security, and geopolitical interests of today trumps any transgressions committed in the past. Furthermore, retaking land for the sake of retaking land without considering the costs and benefits of doing so would be foolish.

That said, if at some point the situation changes in the future where 1) it is no longer in China's interests to maintain a partnership with Russia 2) there is some real strategic or economic value in the land to be taken and 3) the risks of doing so can be effectively mitigated, then there is no reason not to pursue irredentist policies towards Russia. However, there are certain factors that make it unlikely for all three preconditions to be met. The amount of land involved is not particularly large (consisting of a small wedge next to Xinjiang and a swathe in Outer Manchuria), nor is it particularly rich in rare/critical resources. The only strategic value in taking this land would be Vladivostok (which admittedly does have significant strategic and economic value). More importantly, Russia's massive strategic arsenal presents an enormous risk which cannot be mitigated or managed in the foreseeable future. Russia would need to either collapse or descend into civil war before such an operation would be feasible.

It may be more practical to just accept the lands as lost, while never forgetting the lessons learnt from China's painful history. Future generations must never forget the consequences of backwardness and weakness. All Chinese should be be aware of the past crimes that Russia, Japan, the UK, and France committed against China. The fact that Russia is China's strategic partner today does not mean that Russia's past misdeeds should be whitewashed or viewed any differently than Japan's and the UK's.
 
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