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Temstar

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One thing you need to remember about modern China is that it leaves emotions at the door when conducting diplomacy. China is not going to fuck India over in retaliation for earlier slights, no matter how tempting that may be, just because Modi hurt their feelings.

So after India has just be rejected and humiliated by Trump and the west, China might just give him a deal. Not because China forgives or forgets his earlier behaviour, but because that deal advances Chinese interests.

China would not have bothered to invite Modi to Beijing if it did not see the prospects of a major deal or diplomatic breakthrough.

Any deal Modi might get will be a good deal for India, but nowhere near as good as what they would have gotten without all the previous bullshit. That’s where his earlier actions are priced in.

Ultimately China will most likely give Modi a deal so that it looks like India is tilting back to China’s camp. The goal is less to actually get India to play on China’s side but more to make the Americans react to that development.

There are broadly speaking two ways America can respond to a new Sino-India detente. Either they need to throw India a bigger bone with more meat on it in a bid to try and lure India back; or it can go full confrontational and try to regime change Modi or even collapse the Indian nations. Either way China wins as America expends resources, political capital and potentially military power neutralising India who were previously literally begging to be America’s minions.
This, times like this is for making deals at good price in national interest, no matter how tempting it may be to try to get revenge. Take advantage of it and extract some value out of it that would be useful in the grand overall strategic contest with US.

I trust CPC to be able to pull this off, because as Ayi says CPC is a 无情的博弈机器.
 

Overbom

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There are broadly speaking two ways America can respond to a new Sino-India detente. Either they need to throw India a bigger bone with more meat on it in a bid to try and lure India back; or it can go full confrontational and try to regime change Modi or even collapse the Indian nations.
You know which way Trump rolls. Ain't no way he will give them a carrot.


China doesn't forget things easily however. Whatever deal that will be made might be seen as "nice" from China but ultimately its true purpose will only be realized years later when its too late. Maybe India might have thought it got a better deal initially. But they won't know what it really is about until by that time, it won't matter.
A deal will be win-win. It's just instead of being (China-India) 65-35 win, it will be 80-20 win-win ratio


Not China's fault that India stupidly got itself into this mess
 

bebops

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I think China can push for brics currency along with India and Russia right now. It has never been a much easier time than now.

Therefore I don't think China will toss India aside for this. Along with some trade deals at sco, they can facilitate the brics currency too

The Indians know in order to be a friend with the US they need to be a vassal or colony state. They have no interest to be a colony of the US. Indians said this in their Indian defense forums.
 

Sardaukar20

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One thing you need to remember about modern China is that it leaves emotions at the door when conducting diplomacy. China is not going to fuck India over in retaliation for earlier slights, no matter how tempting that may be, just because Modi hurt their feelings.

So after India has just be rejected and humiliated by Trump and the west, China might just give him a deal. Not because China forgives or forgets his earlier behaviour, but because that deal advances Chinese interests.

China would not have bothered to invite Modi to Beijing if it did not see the prospects of a major deal or diplomatic breakthrough.

Any deal Modi might get will be a good deal for India, but nowhere near as good as what they would have gotten without all the previous bullshit. That’s where his earlier actions are priced in.

Ultimately China will most likely give Modi a deal so that it looks like India is tilting back to China’s camp. The goal is less to actually get India to play on China’s side but more to make the Americans react to that development.

There are broadly speaking two ways America can respond to a new Sino-India detente. Either they need to throw India a bigger bone with more meat on it in a bid to try and lure India back; or it can go full confrontational and try to regime change Modi or even collapse the Indian nations. Either way China wins as America expends resources, political capital and potentially military power neutralising India who were previously literally begging to be America’s minions.
I don't think China will go out of its way to screw India over for revenge. The Chinese government is way more mature than the average democracies these days. However, I think that China will be much more cunning when dealing with India this time. Having dealt with the duplicitous US and EU these few years, China is now an expert in this game.

India and China could sign a deal, but India will never get the best deals like Pakistan or other friendly countries. And any deals should he structured in such a way that it'll be voided the moment India breaks China's trust once again. Which will inevitably happen with India. So the big picture still is that there will not be any reproachment between India and China anytime soon. The days of China giving India a free pass is long gone.
 
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FriedButter

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Do you think he is going to be ousted from Intel?

Already coming lmao. Probably the only guy at the moment that could turn Intel around.

Intel shares drop after Trump calls for CEO to resign immediately​

Intel shares slipped Thursday after President Donald Trump called for the chipmaker’s CEO to resign immediately.

In a Truth Social post, Trump said Intel Chief Executive Lip-Bu Tan “is highly CONFLICTED and must resign, immediately. There is no other solution to this problem.”

Intel did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Tan was named as Intel CEO in March as the chipmaker tried to rebound from declining sales under the stewardship of Pat Gelsinger.

This week, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., questioned Tan’s ties to Chinese companies and referenced a past criminal case involving Cadence Design, where Tan was CEO until 2021.

Cotton wrote to Intel’s chair to “express concern about the security and integrity of Intel’s operations and its potential impact on U.S. national security.”

“Intel is required to be a responsible steward of American taxpayer dollars and to comply with applicable security regulations,” Cotton wrote. “Mr. Tan’s associations raise questions about Intel’s ability to fulfill these obligations.”

Cotton asked whether the company required Tan to divest of positions in chipmakers linked to the Chinese Communist Party, the People’s Liberation Army and any other concerning entities in China.

Tan has invested in a number of Chinese companies, including some linked to the country’s military, both directly or through venture funds, Reuters reported in April.

Intel beat earnings expectations when it reported financials for the second quarter in July, but announced several spending cuts.

In a memo, Tan announced cuts to the company’s costly foundry division, which makes chips for other companies and had an operating loss of $3.17 billion.

The company canceled planned fab projects in Germany and Poland, and consolidated testing and assembly operations in Vietnam and Malaysia. Tan also said Intel would slow construction of a chip factory in Ohio.
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pmc

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Perhaps 150km is the max range against maneuvering targets, but due to IAF not detecting the PL-15s, kills were achieved at a range of 200km.

its 200 to 300km. i am not sure from where this 150km range comes from. if its a AESA than it should be able to deal with maneuvering.

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With a range of over 190 km, the K-77M is not the longest-range air-to-air missile developed by Russia, but in many ways it is the most sophisticated. Its range falls between the Chinese PL-15 (200-300 km) and the American AIM-120D (160-180 km), giving it a comfortable range advantage over Western fighters. The missile also reportedly uses an AESA radar like the Chinese PL-15, but which, unlike the AIM-120D, is harder to lock on and provides better jamming against stealth aircraft.
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December 2, 2013, 14:10
MOSCOW, December 3. /ITAR-TASS/. The K-77M air-to-air missile for the T-50 frontline fighter will receive an advanced targeting system. The main advantage of the K-77M missile will be its ability to hold on to the target and adapt to its maneuvers.
The missile's homing heads will guarantee the destruction of an enemy aircraft or missile from the first launch. The new radar will ensure the missile's instant response to a sudden maneuver by the target, and will also increase compatibility with the digital systems of fifth-generation fighters. A similar radar element is usually installed on aircraft, including the T-50, and air defense systems.
Andrey Zverev, CEO of the Rostec state corporation's Roselectronics holding, also highly praised the company's plans, saying that Russia has a chance to become one of the first countries to master the new technology needed to create high-precision missiles.
"Digital active phased arrays are still a promising direction and are not currently mass-produced either in Russia or abroad. Of course, the accuracy and maneuverability of missiles will increase, because a digital array has a higher response speed and is less energy-intensive compared to an analog one," said Andrei Zverev.
 

AssassinsMace

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If anyone has been reading behind the headlines. Bari Weiss just sold her little media company called Free Press where she calls for cancelling anyone who criticizes Israel that had only 7500 followers for $300 million and it looks she'll be hired by CBS to make sure the television network doesn't have anything considered anti-Israel on it. And look... she's interviewing the establishment contender for the Democratic Presidential nominee, Rahm Emanuel.
 
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