NO india at this 80th Anniversary!!! -they are simply not important enough ,totally adverserial to China(not saying USA now or historically Russia wasn't)...but recognizing today's realpolitik with them and China ,india is a non-factor.Also IIRC during the 1946-1948-IMTFE-an indian justice Rabindra Pal exonerated EVERY Japanese defendant ,saying it was "victors' justice" only -despite the documented horrific deeds of these IJN/IJA-the petty,hateful indian heart hasn't change-don't want the likes of Modi there polluting the atmosphere of an otherwise joyful and sombre celebration.There's loudening chatter that Trump will be attending the upcoming September 3rd Victory Day Parade in Beijing:
Japanese political elites are now openly wary of Trump gracing the celebration:
If the Japanese authorities are this worried, then there's a serious chance Trump, Putin and Xi will stand above Tiananmen Square in unison on September 3rd, 2025.
On top of that, India is apparently attempting to revive the Russia-India-China (RIC) trilateral dialogue:
This means Modi might join the fray in 47 days or so too!
Even though India was not sovereign, independent or otherwise so much a country during World War 2, there's no reason to exclude the Indian prime minister, especially if the presidents of former colonies like East Timor and Burma got to partake in 2015.
However, there is one potential issue . . .
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You see, on such occasions, the closer you're seated to Xi, the more important you're.
So let's say retired CPC General Secretary Hu graciously sacrifices his place on the seating chart, so President Trump can be to Xi's left, while President Putin is to his right.
That'll keep the peace between the Americans and Russians, but that means Modi will at best be seated at the same spot as — disgraced South Korean president turned — Park Geunhye: an observably inferior position.
That might be too much for some of our Bharati bhais, especially those who self identify as Hindutva, to bear.
However, humanity definitely deserves a better photo of the men who rule them than this:
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Hopefully India's favorite chaiwala will make it!
Regardless, a DSLR captured shot of Vladimir, Jinping and Trump holding court together — with or without one or two of their lessers like Modi and/or Lula — will make for an iconic moment:
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Language alone is still not enough. In Malaysia, many Malaysian Chinese go to Chinese vernacular schools. However, these schools were heavily influenced by the ROC (Taiwan) syllabus. That made them more politically inclined to Taiwan. Many students have opted to take the UEC exams, and continued their tertiary studies in Taiwan.
So there is plenty of pro-Taiwan, anti-PRC influence amongst the Malaysian Chinese vernacular students. In particular, those born around 1970s to mid 90s. It didn't help that Taiwan became increasingly more political over the years. So this created substantial anti-China sentiments amongst even hardcore Chinese-speaking Malaysian Chinese. Many of these folks don't speak English well. Yet they passionately dislike China. The most famous example is Namewee, a singer-songwriter. He passionately supports the HK protests, and hates the PRC.
Then we add these folks to the banana Malaysian Chinese who have fully embraced the West, and we have a potent mix of China-hate amongst Malaysian Chinese. They are concentrated in the urban areas like Kuala Lumpur. So the image of mainland China amongst the Malaysian Chinese is still quite divided.
Having said that, the younger generation of Malaysian Chinese are much more receptive to mainland China. They are spending their teenage and young adult years when Chinese soft power is blossoming. This current generation use XHS, watch Chinese media, and are not bothered by the politics. Also, not all bananas in Malaysia are anti-China. Many of them knows the West for what it truly is and are happy for China's rise.
Bro, I'm one of those....lol, to be fair at that time PROC is exporting revolution around Asia so there is an anti communist campaign which the Authority used to extort money. I remember it so well that I need to tell the story.
My father like to listen to Internationale ,The East is Red and March of the Volunteers, he played it loud and our neighbor compliant to the police, mind you bro we were under Martial Law at that time. The police ask my father what song he was listening and he answer it with straight face. It's Chinese Opera....lol and the cops believe him and order him to tune it down.Here in the Philippine, My generation is thankful and grateful for KMT for sponsoring and funding Chinese school, without them, many of us may have lost our cultural identity as discrimination is so rampant during those days. Many of us hate being Chinese as we struggle to adapt and coexist, the school had become the foundation and nerve center of the Chinese community, as it provide the necessary support and education for us and future generation to succeed.
It's a generational change bro, Now being Chinese is beautiful. It takes 47 years (from 1978) of Chinese hard work that created a soft power that is distinguishable Chinese. Different, stable and mature compare to the Collective west. Many here advocate that China adopt a hardline approached that is comparable to the west, thankfully the Chinese leadership thinks otherwise, being benevolent is part of Chinese value and culture, we need to promote it as an alternative and Sinicized the whole region.
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There is no "fixing relations" between China and India, or more precisely: there is no path forward that is both visible and viable for fundamentally improving the dynamics of Sino-Indian relations.
India won't mend fences with China unless Beijing "dumps" Islamabad in favor of New Delhi, or until Islamabad and New Delhi normalizes relations. Neither of which is going to happen in the foreseeable future due to the severe trust deficit, and deep seated hostility between the parties involved, respectively.
However flawed Pakistan might be, they've been a loyal de facto ally to China: Beijing ain't going to betray Islamabad for dubious promises of friendship from Indian officials that are totally undeliverable given the Indian public's blatant hostility against the Chinese.
To be blunt, Beijing knows that large swaths, if not the majority of Indian society possess a misguided, if not irrational hatred for China, and there's only so much that can be achieved to improve bilateral ties until Indians learn to be less foolhardy and petulant about China, if not in general as a culture and society.
However, some "baby steps" advancing common interests like collaboration against threats of coercive Trumpian tariffs are plausible so long as Indian officials keep their performative rather than meaningfully material.
India wasn't even a country until 1947 when what are now India, Pakistan and Bangladesh secured Independence from British rule.
It is silly, if not excessive to hold a grudge against 1.4 billion Indians for what individual elites — like the late Rabindra Pal who were in practice more British than anything else, if not outright "lapdogs of the crown" — may or may not have done before ~90% of their country was even born.
Beijing should absolutely stay firm in deterring New Delhi, and I've stated as much in this very thread, but there's no need to be undiplomatic: the Chinese aren't .
No reason to deny Modi if he wants to pay homage to Chinese might come September 3rd on behalf of all Indians.
India will not improve relationship with China until China breaks into pieces or India breaks into pieces
Apparently the Tibet hydro-power project is officially underway -