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AndrewS

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According to French intelligence, China has been smearing the Rafale for years to undermine its sale to other countries confirming China has a time machine.

China isn't smearing the Rafale. It's factually accurate to say that the Rafale is worse.

The Rafale doesn't have a battle network with 2-way datalinks between the Rafale, the AWACs, air-to-air missiles and the ground-based air defence systems.
 

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According to French intelligence, China has been smearing the Rafale for years to undermine its sale to other countries confirming China has a time machine.

China isn't smearing the Rafale with a disinformation campaign.

It's factually accurate to say that the Rafale is worse, because it doesn't have 2-way datalinks with an effective battle network.
 

siegecrossbow

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According to French intelligence, China has been smearing the Rafale for years to undermine its sale to other countries confirming China has a time machine.

When members of the rule based order use purely fabricated news to show that China is genociding Uighurs and Tibetans, it is not smearing but objective reporting. When Chinese internet influencers use real news of Rafale shoot down, confirmed by French and U.S. intelligence and eventually grudgingly by the Indian military no less, to farm internet points, it is considered smearing. Such is the way of the Rule-Based Order.
 

Racek49

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China isn't smearing the Rafale. It's factually accurate to say that the Rafale is worse.

The Rafale doesn't have a battle network with 2-way datalinks between the Rafale, the AWACs, air-to-air missiles and the ground-based air defence systems.
France, of course, has such systems. However, its customers who bought the Rafale, or only parts of it, do not. In the case of India, it is clearly reprehensible. And so it was deservedly punished.
 

AndrewS

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France, of course, has such systems. However, its customers who bought the Rafale, or only parts of it, do not. In the case of India, it is clearly reprehensible. And so it was deservedly punished.

Since when has the Rafale demonstrated CEC?
 

Racek49

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All of the RE refining capacity resides inside China.
If the US goes to war with China, that doesn't help them get RE.
Wouldn't it be better to maintain dependence on Chinese capacity than to force them to build their own capacity? Let's look at advanced chips, for example, the US is doing the same thing and China is now building its own capacity.
 

4Tran

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Wouldn't it be better to maintain dependence on Chinese capacity than to force them to build their own capacity? Let's look at advanced chips, for example, the US is doing the same thing and China is now building its own capacity.
In the long term, that may be true, but the situation is a bit more nuanced than that. First off, it's a matter of economics. Even though the rare earth restrictions has been big news, the actual monetary value of what the US buys is very little: just $150 million a year. That means that it would be very easy to stockpile large quantities if they were given unlimited access. Another big consideration is that these critical materials are used in both military and civilian applications. Some of these materials are dual use, but quite a bit of it only has a military application. China is thus able to ban these military materials altogether while still making civilian materials available.

And then there's the matter of timing. Right now, there's an arms race going on between China and the US but the Americans haven't fully realized that they're in a race yet. Because of that, American weapons stocks are probably at their lowest point in decades, having expended much of it on Ukraine, the Red Sea operations, and on Israel. To rebuild these stocks, they need more production and more production means more critical materials. With the materials ban in place, the US has very little reserves and that's going to be a hard limit on what they can make. Currently, the biggest need is for munitions, but it also impacts all sorts of military vehicles and other equipment as well.

Next is the question of the West building its own critial material capacity. While most of these materials are available all over the place, it's not easy or quick to implement any of the stages of making production-ready components: mining, refining, and processing. Theoretically, some amount of materials can be made ready within 5 years, but because of the lack of financial incentives and technical expertise, it's more realistic that the wait will be 10 years at the earliest for most materials. Some key materials might be 20+ years away. This next decade is where the Chinese MIC has the chance of surpassing the Americans. If the American MIC is crippled during this period, then it might give China an advantage that might be unsurmountable for decades.
 

siegecrossbow

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How dare the evil Chinese use facts against us!
This is literally in the article:
India acknowledged aircraft losses but didn't say how many. French air force chief Gen. Jérôme Bellanger said that he's seen evidence pointing to just 3 Indian losses — a Rafale, a Russian-made Sukhoi and a Mirage 2000, which is an earlier generation French-made jet. It was the first known combat loss of a Rafale, which France has sold to eight countries.

The snakes are banking on people to just read the title and not the actual content, which they snugly concealed in the middle of the text!
 
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