I hope it is water and not something else…
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I hope it is water and not something else…
Ok, this is interesting -
I suspect this is for civilian evacuation instead, both governments probably coordinated with both sides on a timeslot for evac.
The crucial question is whether it wasn't implemented because Iran was unwilling or because China promised more than it was willing to provide after US pressure. Most Chinese probably believe most of the blame is on the Iranian side. If you can understand that, you should also understand that most Iranians are going to put the majority of the blame on the Chinese side. The truth is difficult to know without inside information
As I said before, I'm merely trying to explain why public opinion of China in Iran is not very good. It's because of how politics has played out, not racism, as certain people are claiming. I'm not arguing that China should take any risks for the sake of Iran. I'm explaining that the lack of help when you're supposed to be on the same side leads to even worse disappointment. A bit similar to how Hezbollah probably feels about Iran today. They were supposed to be on the same side, but did very little to help them in the end. This is why Hezbollah isn't active in the current war. And that's also why Iran is unlikely to help China if the US attacks in Taiwan tomorrow. If the Chinese leadership has concluded that arming Iran isn't worth it, then so be it. But you'd have to be mad to think Iranians are happy about it
America is like late stage Rome or late stage Qing now. They are giving high military ranks to anyone connected.
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And yet these IMBECILES dare to stop Chinese innovators and companies from working with their own military!! Lol
I don't know if China caved from US pressure, but I'm pretty sure I read about Iranian politicians opposing the deal leading to it's abandonment so there is that. If you have any proofs or reporting hinting at China's fault, feel free to post them so we can get a clearer picture.
I don't know how you can compare the relation of China and Iran to Iran and Hezbollah, was Iran a puppet of China? Funded and armed by China? Trained by China? I don't think so. In fact did China even claimed to be Iran's ally? Was there a defense pact?
If the answer is "No" to these question then how can Iranian feel "betrayal" by China? When China was just trying to deepen cooperation's with Iran and Iranians expect China to arm them already? Do you want a couple squadrons of J-20 too while we're at it?
It almost looks like Iranians feeling entitled to limitless help and they didn't get it so they feel betrayed?
If the USA thought they could cause a crisis in the Middle East and escape unscathed, they had better think again it seems. If Trump fails to stabilise the nation and instead leads the nation into a civil war that has to potential to break the nation, I dare say bluntly that even if Israel comes out on top against Iran, ultimately it would prove a pyrrhic victory at best given that there is no way Israel will come out unscathed from that fight. Seriously if Trump thought he could save his term by his support for Israel, it could instead serve to ruin him instead
No, I just want to refute the argument that if someone in the world says in a survey about geopolitics that they don't view Chinese influence in their country as positive, that might just be because of politics and not racism. Some people here are extremely thin skinned and think anyone who doesn't love China must be a racist. Maybe don't label whole nations as racists that quickly. Just a suggestion
Regarding Huawei, Iran was clearly very interested in Chinese technology but ever since the kidnapping of Meng Wanzhou, Chinese companies have been to scared to do business in Iran. That's the core of the issue. Chinese private and state companies are more interested in access to western markets than small sales to Iran. The result is that Iran is weaker and poorer. And that's why an Iranian guy might tell a western polling agency that they don't see China positively. Not because they hate Chinese people but because they feel that China is essentially sanctioning them even though they didn't do anything to harm China
About the jf17, I'm somehow very doubtful that Iran wouldn't buy it if Pakistan was willing to sell. They're desperate to get any planes they can get their hands on. It's more likely similar to the gas pipeline they're trying to get running which keeps getting delayed because the US tells Pakistan that it's not allowed to do that and Pakistan obeys. If Pakistan, which clearly needs more energy, is unwilling to buy Iranian gas against US wishes, why would they defy the US to sell fighter jets to Iran??