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tresriogrande

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Some people are complaining that Iran doesn't love China. All I'm doing is explaining why this is the case. If China doesn't want to be liked by others that's totally fine. It's just hypocritical from certain members to complain that Iranian public opinion isn't as pro China as they think they deserve, when China's actions havent always been very friendly to Iran.

Please understand. I'm not saying that China is doing anything wrong, it's a fair strategy. But if your strategy is to go it alone, why are you surprised that others don't worship you?
The topic came up when some here complained China didn't help Iran. Your logic is that it's because China didn't make itself loved by Iranians. The burden is on Iran to prove itself worthy. Iran sold out Huawei. Iran didn't care the JF17 from Pakistan and sided with India.
 

siegecrossbow

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YES,holy sh*t -in Toronto area/???some time ago -a gas station(owned/operated by a certain people had caused hundreds of cars to have severe engine damage by adding water to its gas-and later losing its franchise license but accepting no blame-massive lawsuit IIRC still ongoing-cockroaches.

I hope it is water and not something else…
 

Minm

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Just to add on my previous post. China did try with Iran, reconciliation between Iran and Saudi, 400bil strategic cooperation agreement.

Apparently the investment plan was torpedoed by Iranian's internal opposition citing risk of internal markets being controlled by China. I suppose that is reasonable concern, although I'll bet if US were to propose the same investment plan the same Iranians would gladly welcome it with open legs, don't you agree?
The crucial question is whether it wasn't implemented because Iran was unwilling or because China promised more than it was willing to provide after US pressure. Most Chinese probably believe most of the blame is on the Iranian side. If you can understand that, you should also understand that most Iranians are going to put the majority of the blame on the Chinese side. The truth is difficult to know without inside information

As I said before, I'm merely trying to explain why public opinion of China in Iran is not very good. It's because of how politics has played out, not racism, as certain people are claiming. I'm not arguing that China should take any risks for the sake of Iran. I'm explaining that the lack of help when you're supposed to be on the same side leads to even worse disappointment. A bit similar to how Hezbollah probably feels about Iran today. They were supposed to be on the same side, but did very little to help them in the end. This is why Hezbollah isn't active in the current war. And that's also why Iran is unlikely to help China if the US attacks in Taiwan tomorrow. If the Chinese leadership has concluded that arming Iran isn't worth it, then so be it. But you'd have to be mad to think Iranians are happy about it
 

enroger

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The crucial question is whether it wasn't implemented because Iran was unwilling or because China promised more than it was willing to provide after US pressure. Most Chinese probably believe most of the blame is on the Iranian side. If you can understand that, you should also understand that most Iranians are going to put the majority of the blame on the Chinese side. The truth is difficult to know without inside information

As I said before, I'm merely trying to explain why public opinion of China in Iran is not very good. It's because of how politics has played out, not racism, as certain people are claiming. I'm not arguing that China should take any risks for the sake of Iran. I'm explaining that the lack of help when you're supposed to be on the same side leads to even worse disappointment. A bit similar to how Hezbollah probably feels about Iran today. They were supposed to be on the same side, but did very little to help them in the end. This is why Hezbollah isn't active in the current war. And that's also why Iran is unlikely to help China if the US attacks in Taiwan tomorrow. If the Chinese leadership has concluded that arming Iran isn't worth it, then so be it. But you'd have to be mad to think Iranians are happy about it

I don't know if China caved from US pressure, but I'm pretty sure I read about Iranian politicians opposing the deal leading to it's abandonment so there is that. If you have any proofs or reporting hinting at China's fault, feel free to post them so we can get a clearer picture.

I don't know how you can compare the relation of China and Iran to Iran and Hezbollah, was Iran a puppet of China? Funded and armed by China? Trained by China? I don't think so. In fact did China even claimed to be Iran's ally? Was there a defense pact?

If the answer is "No" to these question then how can Iranian feel "betrayal" by China? When China was just trying to deepen cooperation's with Iran and Iranians expect China to arm them already? Do you want a couple squadrons of J-20 too while we're at it?

It almost looks like Iranians feeling entitled to limitless help and they didn't get it so they feel betrayed?
 

jiajia99

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Wow! Things getting nasty in US.
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If the USA thought they could cause a crisis in the Middle East and escape unscathed, they had better think again it seems. If Trump fails to stabilise the nation and instead leads the nation into a civil war that has to potential to break the nation, I dare say bluntly that even if Israel comes out on top against Iran, ultimately it would prove a pyrrhic victory at best given that there is no way Israel will come out unscathed from that fight. Seriously if Trump thought he could save his term by his support for Israel, it could instead serve to ruin him instead
 
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