I don't know where this notion that Iran hates China come from? Iranians probably know little about China. Iranian government has been nothing but friendly to China.
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No, China should not do these things. The reason why China is able to grow to become a comprehensive threat to the US while the Soviets overextended is precisely because China focuses on itself while the Soviets tried to do everything the US did but without the same tools as America. America has an astoundingly easy time gaining "allies" because it controls global finance and it has a global military. If China competes with America in this game, we lose. If we do everything we can to help Palestine/Iran, we lose everything because our forces were built to be impenetrable around China, but not to project power. If we keep to self-development, we will become the strongest country in the world, and then, we can act like it. But acting like the strongest country in the world without actually being it is how you get yourself struck down.
We did intervene in Pakistan and Myanmar because they were right there and they affected us.
China's stupid? No, you're stupid. The way China behaves, it is able to become a challenge that the US cannot contend with. Right now, "allies" and all, America has no game plan to prevent China from overtaking it in every aspect from technology to military to the economy, which has already happened via PPP. If China acted like you suggest, which is to get into every fight with an emotional outburst, we'd be dead already. Would never have gotten this far playing underdog.
China has the biggest friend in the world, which is Russia, and global perceptions of China are rising. People are less emotional than you, it seems.
Here you go.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
Iranian public opinion is more anti China than NATO countries like Norway and Spain, or even a declared rival like India.
That is a survey by a western org which should not have good access to Iran at all. Who knows how representative this is of Iranian public opinion. It could be just the english speaking elites or even worse, Iranian pro-west diaspora. This kind of Survey is not evidence of anti-China hatred among Iranians.
How did they get accurate results for Russia and Belarus then? The Russian results were also replicated by a Nikkei survey.
I find it surprising that you believe western survey orgs to that extent. Russia and Belarus are far more open country than Iran is. Iran is extremely isolated.
The Chinese know that they can absolutely destroy that island coast to coast and anyone who come to the defense. What the US is giving to that Island is a drop in the ocean to what is need, they are receiving less than Ukraine and Israel. That is why the US is constantly talking about whatever they would intervene or not.
The China would prefer to keep the one country two systems policy instead of the misery that a war would bring to their brothers living in that island.
The Ukranian attack from logistic stand point is impressive but didn't did much damage to the Russians as the pro-Ukranians pundits claims, probably a few bombers that will be repaired quickly. The damage that Russian retaliation did to Ukraine is more damaging and impactful to the point that Western stooges are crying foul. And by the way hasn't stopped the Russians from advancing in the East.
Welp, that aged like milk. fast. The reality is that the Israeli don't have the capability to really destroy the Iranian nuclear program because is deep underground. The only thing the Israelis achieved is weeks and months of horror of war to achieve nothing.
That is why China needs to export more of its products, especially EVs. China now leads in car production quality and innovation. When your products are of highest quality, your image will change worldwide. But Iran has a lot of oil, so they should prefer Chinese gasoline cars.
The problem is that multiple 3rd party surveys including Russian, Chinese, western, and semi-western (ie Japanese) surveys report the same thing within margin of error.
At least for Russia, western survey results are in general agreement with domestic and Chinese survey results.
If they're lying specifically about Iran because it is more difficult to corroborate results even from Iranian organizations themselves, that is possible. But Iran has open elections too, with known results, and since 2013 they've been relatively consistent in voting for the pro west candidate. They've also been making baffling choices that don't make sense unless you conclude they're secretly pro west.
So I don't see a fundamental proof of a lie here. The number is at least plausible.
Pro move would've been use EV, export oil and move up value ladder to petrochemical. But I think Iran has a nonzero possibility of collapsing into anarchy.