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FairAndUnbiased said:

Even India is mostly neutral towards China and more neutral than Vietnam. I am impressed. Indians might have a hard mouth but they have good instincts. They recognize it is not in their interest to get on China's bad side.

I predict India will be more pro China in 2026 than 2024.

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I think so. This is what I thought when India sent Ajit Doval to speak to Wang Yi right after the hostilities and then Modi hit against Trump's steel/alum tariffs today when it's easy to massage Trump's ego to get a good deal from India's position. I thought they'd be angrier than a hornets' nest at China and they'd fall right into line with Trump but that's not what they did.

As I said before, I don't know about the 80IQ average thing but from my experience, Indians are not stupid people. I think their leadership wants more to be on good terms with China after this conflict because they are starting to understand that China can transform Pakistan's military into something that India absolutely cannot contend with and while they may have previously 1. doubted China's ability compared to the Western machines that India bought and 2. thought that Pakistani budgetary limitations can prevent their military growth, now they see that $75M (maintenance package included) J-10CE can take down $250M Rafales without loss, overturning both safeties they thought they had. Thus, their actions show that they feel they need to convince China to be more neutral.

FairAndUnbiased said:

Even India is mostly neutral towards China and more neutral than Vietnam. I am impressed. Indians might have a hard mouth but they have good instincts. They recognize it is not in their interest to get on China's bad side.

I predict India will be more pro China in 2026 than 2024.

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India is absolutely not neutral towards China. Indian analysts consider China the primary enemy. One thing has to be clear, India has hegemonic ambitions. There is a reason they keep screaming wanting to be a superpower. They consider themselves deserving a position equal or even better than China. Yes, they lack the ability, but the amount of hate and suspicion India has towards China is only second to their hate towards Pakistan. They think China is the reason India cannot become a superpower cause China is holding India down. They will never stop trying to fight China and would only get bolder the bigger their economy gets.

tamsen_ikard said:

India is absolutely not neutral towards China.

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Based on the survey posted, they are more so than Vietnam and comparable to Brazil.

tamsen_ikard said:

Indian analysts consider China the primary enemy. One thing has to be clear, India has hegemonic ambitions. There is a reason they keep screaming wanting to be a superpower. They consider themselves deserving a position equal or even better than China. Yes, they lack the ability, but the amount of hate and suspicion India has towards China is only second to their hate towards Pakistan. They think China is the reason India cannot become a superpower cause China is holding India down. They will never stop trying to fight China and would only get bolder the bigger their economy gets.

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The way for them to become neutral is for them to lose hope and accept their fate as a junior partner because it is safer being the junior partner of the overwhelmingly strong than a target. That is why every time China does something big, half of India is in despair at why their delusional regime can't see how far behind they are and refuses to learn from China.

The delusional portion can only remain delusional as long as reality does not smack them in the face, and reality has been relentless in pounding sense into India.

The best tool of diplomacy that China has is the PL-15, on both ends.

Being junior partner to China isn't bad at all. China doesn't demand anything except to stop being anti-China and to trade with China. India can do whatever the hell it wants otherwise.

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Democracy perception index just published their 2025 report and its looking good for China
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Japan, so loyal and this is all they get in return.

FairAndUnbiased said:

Based on the survey posted, they are more so than Vietnam and comparable to Brazil.

The way for them to become neutral is for them to lose hope and accept their fate as a junior partner because it is safer being the junior partner of the overwhelmingly strong than a target. That is why every time China does something big, half of India is in despair at why their delusional regime can't see how far behind they are and refuses to learn from China.

The delusional portion can only remain delusional as long as reality does not smack them in the face, and reality has been relentless in pounding sense into India.

The best tool of diplomacy that China has is the PL-15, on both ends.

Being junior partner to China isn't bad at all. China doesn't demand anything except to stop being anti-China and to trade with China. India can do whatever the hell it wants otherwise.

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India is a big place so it's hard to tell. I believe a huge bunch of them are Jai Hinds as we already know.

However there are also a huge chunk of them who are actually dealing with China via business or have travelled the world including China. They know China is better.

It also depends where you go. North India tend to be more Jai Hind compared to say the south or the northeast.

Anyway what people think in this survey doesn't matter much. Look how fast it can flip when Trump goes away. Only by focusing on self development can you get respect regardless of what people say.

People didn't suddenly liking China coz they had a change in heart. A lot of it is coz China forced them to accept it was better through results that cannot be denied.

Personally I would rather trust someone like Vietnam who openly tells me that he hates my guts without hiding it but still does his job properly and holds his end of the deal whenever we do business.

TK3600 said:

India seems to believe it is in position to contest 2nd place with US. As if they do not have enough enemies.

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India has enough agricultural products, that they don't have to import from the US. That is why they are challenging the yankees.

FairAndUnbiased said:

Even India is mostly neutral towards China and more neutral than Vietnam. I am impressed. Indians might have a hard mouth but they have good instincts. They recognize it is not in their interest to get on China's bad side.

I predict India will be more pro China in 2026 than 2024.

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If they acknowledge that Chinese missile did take down their Rafale they might, a lot of people don't respect China because they think China is always lying about its capabilities and can only copy. Theres basically 0 pro-China or even neutral reporting about China in mainstream media in some of these anti-China countries.

SanWenYu said:

Did Canada and Brazil flip their colours in this graph?

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BYD using "slave" labour to build brazilian factory. The thing was way overblown, and the workers spoke out about them being degraded and called slaves.

FairAndUnbiased said:

Even India is mostly neutral towards China and more neutral than Vietnam. I am impressed. Indians might have a hard mouth but they have good instincts. They recognize it is not in their interest to get on China's bad side.

I predict India will be more pro China in 2026 than 2024.

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With the bloody history, no way major Vietnamese will pro China, neutral is best outcome.

Proteus said:

With the bloody history, no way major Vietnamese will pro China, neutral is best outcome.

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Like it or not, Vietnam's economy rise has a lot to do with Chinese outsourcing manufacturing there. Or use it as a 'proxy' if you will to sell goods to USA.

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