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The reason China acts peaceful around Taiwan at the moment is because it does not have the military means to have a say 95% chance of victory. If tmr, China received alien tech that nullifies nuclear missiles against it while at the same time shoot death star rays at enemies, do you think this question would still exist?

Just coz China isn't taking chess pieces at the moment doesn't mean it won't. We see American is trying hard to make Taiwan the next Ukraine so regardless, China will be acting like Russia here when that time comes. Of course Taiwan people are probably more hesitant on becoming Ukraine.

Edit: Maybe China does indeed have alien tech but is just hiding it. After all the best way to win is by getting Taiwan to willingly do it without any fighting. That would be basically cucking the west 100% since they can't say China attacked.
 
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The funny thing is that is actually America and China that is doing the Good-Cop Bad-Cop routine while the Russians are playing the role of the Big Bad Wolf.

America wants to do a G2 with Russia to keep things as simple as possible to try to maximise their chances of hammering out an agreement ASAP.

Unfortunately for them, China gets to play responsible power and demand to drag Ukraine, the EU and anyone who wants to feel important into the picture. Ostensively to give them equal voice in the matter. But in reality it just EU-fies the whole thing bogging it down in endless circles of negotiations and bickering so nothing can be agreed and no one can blame Russia for not at least trying.
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Somehow, I am not sure if Russia does want this ceasefire given that well, stopping there progress when they are literally winning right now for security guarantees that can easily be reversed when the US changes leadership and that well given how poorly treated they have been treated by the west and basically how well their economy has grown right now despite all the problems, one might think that Chinas role in stuffing things up by trying to make the EU part of the equation to ruin the talks, would ultimately help Russia to given them the conditions needed to annex more territory in Ukraine, prevent the U.S. from extracting itself from the Ukraine conflict in a manner that makes them look good and keeps the EU from basically getting rid of its rotten leadership that is still dragging everything down. These talks by Trump only seeks to benefit the USA by extracting the U.S. from said conflict while enabling them the time to rearm and consolidate what little remains of their power at the expense of Europe means that these talks would have the U.S. as the only winner like the typical weasel bastards that they are. Hence given how Putin and Xi communicate on every manner of grave importance, I believe they have a plan in place to ensure that the USA will not get what they want in the near future because we’ll, instead of making anyone happy with his actions like Brian Belietic states in his previous video on Vance’s speech to the EU, they are instead throughly driving them insane enough to try to drag China into the mix which would only compound things. I do like to watch Brian’s take on things but some times I get the feeling he is making a lot of assumptions how US power which I believe now more then ever is looking increasingly limited

 
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The biggest mistake Russia made was thinking it was still the Soviet Union and not evolving from that mindset. Deng Xiaoping said Russian (Soviet) leaders were stupid and he's proven right with each passing day. The Russians don't want to make themselves attractive enough for countries located in its periphery to want to be a part of it and yet they think rolling in tanks and using covert methods of subversion will work when most people of this world are tired of big powers telling them what to do. They've lost Central Asia to the Chinese, pissed off Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Ukraine. Their only friend is Belarus.
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First they didn't lose central Asia to Chinese. It's a propaganda made by western media in order to create wedge between Russia and China. Central Asians wants to have good relation with both nation. Secondly Russia didn't have that many allies after the fall of Soviet. Sure they lost Armenia and Ukraine due to color revolution and western influence to their politics. But that doesn't mean much if western influence keeps declining. When China wins technological war the one who benefit the most will be Russia. Those nation that decided to go against russia will have to rethink their decision and will be forced to get closer to Russia. Even now we see some European country wants to re- establish ties with Russian. The day china wins tech war would be the day the fall of western empire.
 
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jiajia99 said:
Somehow, I am not sure if Russia does want this ceasefire given that well, stopping there progress when they are literally winning right now for security guarantees that can easily be reversed when the US changes leadership and that well given how poorly treated they have been treated by the west and basically how well their economy has grown right now despite all the problems, one might think that Chinas role in stuffing things up by trying to make the EU part of the equation to ruin the talks, would ultimately help Russia to given them the conditions needed to annex more territory in Ukraine, prevent the U.S. from extracting itself from the Ukraine conflict in a manner that makes them look good and keeps the EU from basically getting rid of its rotten leadership that is still dragging everything down. These talks by Trump only seeks to benefit the USA by extracting the U.S. from said conflict while enabling them the time to rearm and consolidate what little remains of their power at the expense of Europe means that these talks would have the U.S. as the only winner like the typical weasel bastards that they are. Hence given how Putin and Xi communicate on every manner of grave importance, I believe they have a plan in place to ensure that the USA will not get what they want in the near future because we’ll, instead of making anyone happy with his actions like Brian Belietic states in his previous video on Vance’s speech to the EU, they are instead throughly driving them insane enough to try to drag China into the mix which would only compound things. I do like to watch Brian’s take on things but some times I get the feeling he is making a lot of assumptions how US power which I believe now more then ever is looking increasingly limited

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It's kinda cruel but it's actually in China's interest to keep the Ukraine war going. We can already see America getting cocky and pivoting to Taiwan. They should not be allowed to do that so easily. They and Europe wanted a war in Ukraine so why should they be allowed a ceasefire so easily? No they should make sure they stay long enough to know what the full price of war is. Too long wars have been happening far away and now it's time to remind them what they are like up front.

Btw millions of Ukrainian dying? Since Europeans are so good at freedomz compared to Chinese, maybe it's time to show it by couping zelensky.
 
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It's kinda cruel but it's actually in China's interest to keep the Ukraine war going. We can already see America getting cocky and pivoting to Taiwan. They should not be allowed to do that so easily. They and Europe wanted a war in Ukraine so why should they be allowed a ceasefire so easily? No they should make sure they stay long enough to know what the full price of war is. Too long wars have been happening far away and now it's time to remind them what they are like up front.

Btw millions of Ukrainian dying? Since Europeans are so good at freedomz compared to Chinese, maybe it's time to show it by couping zelensky.
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Somehow, like every attempt in the past to screw with China only ends up screwing itself, I don’t think we should be too alarmed, I mean Trump tried previously with the whole North Korea relations thing and failed miserably and that whole Canadian shit show that is still going even now. Trump is no better than his predecessor despite not suffering from dementia like Biden and the amount of chaos he has caused in 2 months is quite telling
 
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This has nothing to do with my point.
The fact of the matter is that Russia has become kind of a liability to China. Involving Russia in Asia-Pacific only incentivizes the Europeans to increase their presence there and antagonize China, increasing trade with Russia only incentivizes the Europeans to cut their trade relations with China and view it as an enemy, defending Russia's war in Ukraine calls into question China's principled stance against imperialism and its role as a peacemaker. So if anything, China's deepening relations with Russia is the biggest driver of partitioning the world economy and bloc confrontation. This doesn't mean that China should abandon Russia (which would signal China is an unreliable ally), but distancing themselves from Russia (geopolitically but not economically) makes sense and is in China's interests.
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What you said China is already doing. To date I don't recall any Chinese official ever condoning Russia's invasion of the Ukraine.

The EU regime already considers China an enemy. Just before the Ukrainian war a German admiral was caught on camera saying we need to accept Russia's occupation of Crimea so we can focus on China.

The time when the EU could have threatened China with economic sanctions sailed a long time ago. Their economy is stagnant and their industrial base rapidly shrinking. China is the only car market where EU has had any success, that too is dwindling. They make more on the Chinese market than the rest of the world.

Beyond that, stopping the export of fancy cheese, champagne and designer clothes isn't exactly going to bring China to it's knees. On the few things that matter, the EU already has sanctions on China (e.g. Huawei, DUV, etc)

It makes more sense to offer individual European countries an alternative to American/EU hegemony. Bypass EU institutions and deal with countries on an individual basis. If they don't accept, then they can enjoy getting fleeced by Trump and America and expect westen European living standards to become similar to eastern European ones.
 
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What you said China is already doing. To date I don't recall any Chinese official ever condoning Russia's invasion of the Ukraine.

The EU regime already considers China an enemy. Just before the Ukrainian war a German admiral was caught on camera saying we need to accept Russia's occupation of Crimea so we can focus on China.

The time when the EU could have threatened China with economic sanctions sailed a long time ago. Their economy is stagnant and their industrial base rapidly shrinking. China is the only car market where EU has had any success, that too is dwindling. They make more on the Chinese market than the rest of the world.

Beyond that, stopping the export of fancy cheese, champagne and designer clothes isn't exactly going to bring China to it's knees. On the few things that matter, the EU already has sanctions on China (e.g. Huawei, DUV, etc)

It makes more sense to offer individual European countries an alternative to American/EU hegemony. Bypass EU institutions and deal with countries on an individual basis. If they don't accept, then they can enjoy getting fleeced by Trump and America and expect westen European living standards to become similar to eastern European ones.
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Agreed. I dedicated some time to watch some panels during the Munich Security Conference. At some point a few prime ministers were on stage (Finland, Iceland, and some other random irrelevant EU country) and they were asked about Europe turning towards China due to Trump. Finland prime minister literally laughed out loud and said absolutely not. The other prime minister, agreed.

That's all you need to know about the Europeans. Vassals are vassals, and Xi has figured them out. China will simply cut deals with EU. But if anyone there thinks that China will betray Russia for some EU-brownie points...
 
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Agreed. I dedicated some time to watch some panels during the Munich Security Conference. At some point a few prime ministers were on stage (Finland, Iceland, and some other random irrelevant EU country) and they were asked about Europe turning towards China due to Trump. Finland prime minister literally laughed out loud and said absolutely not. The other prime minister, agreed.

That's all you need to know about the Europeans. Vassals are vassals, and Xi has figured them out. China will simply cut deals with EU. But if anyone there thinks that China will betray Russia for some EU-brownie points...
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Hmmm, what until the USA is truly out of the picture, I don’t think the Baltics are going to be laughing any time soon after that, then China will have all the time in the world to pick them apart
 
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