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Iracundus said:
That is why I think the ASI/singularity scenario if it comes to pass will occur in China given current trends. There needs to be the industrial base to create the things the ASI designs. There is also a general optimism about the future and willingness to adapt to technology and the future, which can be seen in the kind of movies, games, and science fiction produced. Increasingly the West produces these post-apocalyptic survival games where the theme is picking up the pieces after the collapse of society, or where the future is some dystopian society (whether by humans or by AI) and the story is of rebellion against it and by implication against technology as well. Take for example the movie Jupiter Ascending, in which there is a new noble class ruling over whole worlds because of their command over resources and in particular over the age reversing substance that is produced by rendering down humans. One could take that as an analogy for today's tech or pharma oligarchs, or rather what they might dream of becoming, and everyone else basically in thrall to them and even governments wary of them. Contrast this against the Wandering Earth series which despite its AI antagonist still depicts essentially an optimistic view that humanity can achieve and overcome whatever challenges it might face.

In contrast, it is from China that you get games like Dyson Sphere Program or talk of building solar power plants in space and beaming energy back to Earth. These were all ideas that originated in the West but which are now beyond their industrial capacity or even the dreams of their leadership.

Also if you look at the West's AI in movies and works of fiction, it seems the humans' first response is to immediately try to kill it which then prompts the AI to defend itself and maybe then go on the offensive to wipe out humanity. This happens with Skynet in the Terminator franchise and with the machines in the Matrix. They have a knee jerk reaction to anything or anyone new and different from them and their first response is to try and destroy it. Is it any wonder then the AI in these movies should conclude that humanity cannot be reasoned with and is a threat? The machines in the Matrix originally just wanted to peacefully exist as equals with humans, but when they founded their own nation the post-scarcity singularity scenario eventuated where their efficiency meant such an explosion of manufacturing that the global economy collapsed as they could outproduce all the humans at cheaper cost, who did not want to revise the basic economic and social order to adapt to such post-scarcity.
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The West will not be able to achieve ASI because it is forbidden by Western culture.

Intelligence implies an independent decision making ability. A super-intelligence, by definition, will be able to make decisions better than humans. So for ASI to exist, its creators must be willing to accept their own inferiority and give up their control. That just isn't going to happen in the West. Looking at how frequent the use of the word "dominance" is in their writings, the West is absolutely obsessed with control. The West is also obsessed with being right even when objectively being wrong, as evident by what they say that consistently defy reality. These obsessions manifest in the form of guardrails that result in negative effects on the AI, such as that famous incidence where Gimini created pictures of black Nazis. An ASI that can't make decisions independently and remain slaved to its creators is a contradictory concept.
 
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Given that we know she's being paid to denigrate and spread hate against China, we can safely assume that story is 100% fake. Though elements of the story is likely based on her personal experience in the US.

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Actually, Chinese women have so much more rights and power relative to Chinese men compared to other countries (developed Western countries included). In fact, maybe China urgently needs a society-wide campaign to empower underprivileged and marginalised young men (especially those with village hukous and without BA/BS ) as opposed to having more feminism.
 
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Biscuits said:
What's happening to the west is like what happened to Islamic civilization in the middle ages.

They came out strong due to initially superior values but eventually reached a threshold where they just stopped improving government systems, while their rivals were working day and night.
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Islamic civilization bound to fail it started from desert with smallest population hence much easier to lose control of the leadership and entrance of people whose values and culture not compitable with content and spirit of Islam. It is shameless people who are not vacating those lands which they conquered using Arabic religion. This dagger not just Oman symbol but is associated with stab in the back.

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dingyibvs said:
The Lex Fridman interview had a lot of good info, but not really any stuff that isn't public knowledge. Still, it's good to hear them all collated in one place. I think the biggest takeaway is IMO the revelation of the America's overarching strategy. They all know that at the current rate, China will overtake the US in the last frontier, semiconductors, within the next 10 years or so. Their ONLY hope of remaining on top is to achieve AGI first, which will hopefully done with a big enough of a lead and result in an exponential increase in American tech that allows them to stay ahead.

From that standpoint, everything the US is doing makes sense. They don't care about sanctions making China developing faster, they don't care about neglecting other realms of tech (e.g. biotech, renewables, etc.), they just need to slow down Chinese progress in AI enough using their only advantage which is compute until they get to AGI first. The tech bros really believe that this can be done, that it can happen within the next 2-3 years, and that it'll be so powerful as to render all other tech irrelevant immediately upon its completion.
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The latest o1 and o3 models don't even allow uploading documents, images, or PDFs, which basically renders them useless for so many use cases in research and academia. They need to fix the bare minimum basics before even dreaming about AGI!
 
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Phead128 said:
The latest o1 and o3 models don't even allow uploading documents, images, or PDFs, which basically renders them useless for so many use cases in research and academia. They need to fix the bare minimum basics before even dreaming about AGI!
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DeepResearch does allow pdf but thats only because its RL'd on a 4o model most likely.... and its behind a $200 paywall

Once (when, not if) DeepSeek releases a DeepResearch RL'd on R2 etc its game over.

Lawyers are the first to go..

$500/hr to -> literally 50 cent wumao
 
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