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TPenglake

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Trump's cabinet picks and Bidens action to pardon his criminal son is just basically the mask slipping off on the west and it's democracy.

China was just ahead of the curve and knew it was bullshit. After all the west didn't get rich through democracy but through their ancestors looting.

The sad thing is many global south countries still believe in the western system. We got Jai hinds unironically saying India is happier than China because they have democracy as their own people pray at the temple of visas for Vishnu to give them a visa to anywhere that allows them to leave India. Poor suckers don't realize they are just bagholding outdated beliefs the west no longer believe.
Granted my high school American history is a little hazy, so I'm not sure how America, up until now at least, for 200 years seems to have made representative democracy work fairly well.

But historically, the world's most advanced nations being made up of representative democracies is a categorical anomoly that only arose out of the post-WW2 period. Arguing that China couldn't become an advanced nation without representative democracy was always a moot point since none of the European Empires or even early modern Japan rose to power as representative democracies. In fact, leading up to WW2 a higher percentage of the ROC's population were alloted suffrage compared to Imperial Japanese citizens.

So when people ask Chinese the condescending question, "How can you put your faith in unelected men and women to make decisions solely on the belief that they earned their positions via merit and are well educated?" Tell them precisely that's what most of humanity in the modern era had been doing up until the last half century and it worked out well enough for the winners of that era, so why not?

Point out too, modern CPC officials get to where they are via merit, whereas even up until 1900 only the nobility and well connected in Europe and Japan could participate in politics.
 

iewgnem

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Granted my high school American history is a little hazy, so I'm not sure how America, up until now at least, for 200 years seems to have made representative democracy work fairly well.

But historically, the world's most advanced nations being made up of representative democracies is a categorical anomoly that only arose out of the post-WW2 period. Arguing that China couldn't become an advanced nation without representative democracy was always a moot point since none of the European Empires or even early modern Japan rose to power as representative democracies. In fact, leading up to WW2 a higher percentage of the ROC's population were alloted suffrage compared to Imperial Japanese citizens.

So when people ask Chinese the condescending question, "How can you put your faith in unelected men and women to make decisions solely on the belief that they earned their positions via merit and are well educated?" Tell them precisely that's what most of humanity in the modern era had been doing up until the last half century and it worked out well enough for the winners of that era, so why not?

Point out too, modern CPC officials get to where they are via merit, whereas even up until 1900 only the nobility and well connected in Europe and Japan could participate in politics.
It takes incredible amount of brainwashing to create the belief that "merit" should not be the one and only metric for leadership selection, when the definition of the word merit is, per Webster: "a person's qualities, actions, etc. regarded as indicating what the person deserves to receive"

So the question really is: "do you think the person most deserving to be leader deserves to be leader".
 

Index

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Granted my high school American history is a little hazy, so I'm not sure how America, up until now at least, for 200 years seems to have made representative democracy work fairly well.

But historically, the world's most advanced nations being made up of representative democracies is a categorical anomoly that only arose out of the post-WW2 period. Arguing that China couldn't become an advanced nation without representative democracy was always a moot point since none of the European Empires or even early modern Japan rose to power as representative democracies. In fact, leading up to WW2 a higher percentage of the ROC's population were alloted suffrage compared to Imperial Japanese citizens.

So when people ask Chinese the condescending question, "How can you put your faith in unelected men and women to make decisions solely on the belief that they earned their positions via merit and are well educated?" Tell them precisely that's what most of humanity in the modern era had been doing up until the last half century and it worked out well enough for the winners of that era, so why not?

Point out too, modern CPC officials get to where they are via merit, whereas even up until 1900 only the nobility and well connected in Europe and Japan could participate in politics.
China is a representive democracy, what it isn't is a direct democracy. Instead of voting directly for leaders, the people vote for representants that elect the leader(s). There is a clear separation of powers and an electorate system. At the same time, unlike multi party democracies, one party controls the vast majority of the electorate, but that doesn't make that one party less accountable to the public and the other branches of power.

The westernized political term would be "flawed" or "authoritarian" democracy (because of the one party supermajority). This system isn't uncommon in Asia, Singapore and Japan have roughly the same government setup.
 

GulfLander

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"[...]The origin story of the OCCRP is interesting and deeply revealing. As per the article, it begins with a coup in the Philippines where "the non-profit outlet the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism (PCIJ) exposed corruption by then-President Joseph Estrada, a nationalist with a standoffish relationship to the U.S. The exposé led to an impeachment inquiry, which fell short. But it also produced major street protests, leading to his ouster in a coup."

State Department official Michael Henning, stationed in the Philippines, "was a major booster of PCIJ—which has been the beneficiary of grants from the National Endowment for Democracy", itself a major instrument of US interference abroad, "relayed its effectiveness to his colleagues". According to the piece, Henning connected Drew Sullivan, who went on to co-found and head of OCCRP, with PCIJ's leaders to learn from their experience.

In other words, the U.S. had learned with this coup in the Philippines that they could achieve regime change through investigative journalism rather than military coups. As the article puts it, "The journalist's pen was not just mightier than the sword, but less embarrassing to wield on a global stage in an era where overtly U.S.-backed military coups had gone out of fashion."[....]"


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horse

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A random video by some random guy on the internet.

I like Chinese people, because we like are like shut up!

No bullshit!

Even though we may not give a shit about the topic matter, it was still kind of entertaining, what is happening and what people are doing out there.

Also, informative videos should go no longer than 10 minutes. It is a video, not a lecture.
 

Chevalier

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This tells me the cia attempts to incite separatism in Xinjiang have all but failed, shades of 1950s Tibet. Visa free means the MSS is confident of its abilities to stamp out terrorism and the Uzbeks are cooperating.

"The [Indian] government is considering to relax security conditions for giving satcom licenses to Elon Musk's Starlink and Jeff Bezos' Amazon Kuiper"

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musk has trump’s ear and can make Indias life as painful and shitty than it already is, pun intended.
It is hilarious that the Indian author is making excuses for textbook definitions of racism. Whatever feelings one might have about India or Indians, it is still discrimination.
what you’re observing is the loquaciousness of the average Indian. Give them an inch, they’ll take a mile, plus they love the sound of their own voices. Look at Canada, where once enough Indians gained enough terminal mass on student visas, they tried to pressure the government into giving them permanent visas. Same for Australia. You never saw Chinese student doing this because Chinese dont aspire to be white slaves or to own white slaves.
 

pmc

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You said Arabs. If you want to edit that so that it's just a few Arabs, go ahead and be specific. But from what I see, there are no powerful or intelligent/scientifically advanced Arabic countries so you have nowhere to go.

I'm sure Arabs have no intelligence inside thier heads.

Europe discredited themselves by enslaving and colonizing Africa, and that is put on plain display by comparison as China engages in none of that but is a much much stronger economic power. Arabs had nothing to do with it. They could all disappear and Africa would be the same.

Doesn't have have a connection to what you said; there is no "that's why" relationship. Soviets had nothing that the US and China don't have but both have much that the Soviets didn't, including the ability to survive. Your "research" is shit.

Random statements are much better than yours; yours are stupid and wrong.

So what?
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The reason why you're always so wrong on Arabic power is because you never compare anything; you just state what Arabs do as if nobody else does anything. It's like a mother saying she has the smartest kid in the world because he can walk and he's only 2 years old. Well... the average is a year so... your baby is actually stupid. Then she posts a picture of him walking and says that's proof he's smart. That's basically your logic when you cite meetings between Saudis and the US/Russia without realizing how many countries have these meetings and the Saudis are just one of them.
That was historic meeting of US President with Saudi King. US president should avoid showing in wheel chair to show that strength but after success of meeting of Saudi King he could show himself with wheel chair in Congress. such is the Soft Power behind that meeting.
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During an address to Congress, FDR reported that he “learned more about [the Near East] by talking with Ibn Saud for five minutes than I could have learned in an exchange of two or three dozen letters.”5
For more than 12 years, without any specific taboos, there has been an understanding that no stories or pictures would be circulated playing on Mr. Roosevelt’s infirmity.

The problem is you still replying and not understanding what i am conveying. There is no such thing to compare with Arabic power. once that power effectively enters a society than every one else will have to pack there bags when ever they decide. It can happen to any one in Africa or many other countries. No amount spending on Africans by Qaddafi could save him. They have people sitting 24/7 next to global surveillance system and they are tracking alot things. certain things you can already see when Russia slightly decrease support to Syrian government to make the Sunni side stronger. They cannot finish Idlib as its for later bargaining. buying Iranian oil is like funding leftism.
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Trump spotted sitting with head of Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund at UFC fight​

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Malaysia's oil exports to China surge 12-fold as Iranian oil is rebranded​

 
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