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jiajia99

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The plan is to create a pacific NATO and all the pieces are coming together. NATO will fuse with AUKUS, QUAD, SQUAD, etc and create a "defensive" alliance in the pacific. The US will continue trying to get ASEAN into this alliance as well. The ultimate aim is deterrence not getting into a shooting war, the US wants China to bend the knee.
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A pacific NATO is a stupid idea that will bankrupt all nations that try to upkeep such a silly plan. Not only do the nations neighboring China do not want this in There back yard, but Japan and SK and the Philippines are in no shape to act as cannon fodder in this silly scenario. Not only do none of these nation have the necessary Defences like that of Ukraines before that went down to actually defend all those NATO ships that is going to require an unbelievable amount of resources to keep this utter idiotic plan afloat (think of the oil, missiles and man power that will take, which is going to be hard to procure given the price for all that), but absolutely none of these nations have the collective balls to actually fight China on there own and the US has always made it clear that it expects their vassal to do all the fighting, not the US soldiers, which is pretty much like Ukraine in that the fight is being fought to the last Ukrainian. No one right now wants to be the US fodder right now, especially when there is no benefit to it. Heck the USA collapsing on its own would benefit these nations more then helping the USA ever will. That all assumes that China, Nth Korea, Russia and basically any nation in the Asia pacific is going to stand for this madness.

The USA says a lot of garbage but in the end, they eventually always fold and run away from each and every conflict they have fought for the last half century. What makes you think that this alliance is going to be worth anything
 
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If these is true then I hope the Russian assist the Chinese in their ASW capability, I know that submarine warfare especially the acoustic signature is a well kept secret. With the experience gain from the cold war, the Chinese will surely appreciate such gesture from the Russian.


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1 day ago — Stealth Encounter: Russian ASW Aircraft Shadows US Nuclear Submarine Unnoticed for 9 Hours. "Throughout the nine-hour mission of 'shadowing ...
 
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Earlier this month, a Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force fighter jet
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in the path of a Royal Australian Navy MH-60R helicopter over the Yellow Sea, compelling the Australian military to release a statement calling the risky maneuver "unsafe and unprofessional."

Two years earlier, a Chinese fighter jet dropped chaff in front of a P-8 Poseidon aircraft operating above the South China Sea. At least some of the metallic debris entered the plane's engine. That same year, a Chinese warship was accused of
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to interfere with another P-8.
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MH-60R helicopters, like the P-8, are anti-submarine warfare platforms. They are able to detect submarines using detachable sonar and sonobuoy mechanisms.
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jiajia99 said:
A pacific NATO is a stupid idea that will bankrupt all nations that try to upkeep such a silly plan. Not only do the nations neighboring China do not want this in There back yard, but Japan and SK and the Philippines are in no shape to act as cannon fodder in this silly scenario. Not only do none of these nation have the necessary Defences like that of Ukraines before that went down to actually defend all those NATO ships that is going to require an unbelievable amount of resources to keep this utter idiotic plan afloat (think of the oil, missiles and man power that will take, which is going to be hard to procure given the price for all that), but absolutely none of these nations have the collective balls to actually fight China on there own and the US has always made it clear that it expects their vassal to do all the fighting, not the US soldiers, which is pretty much like Ukraine in that the fight is being fought to the last Ukrainian. No one right now wants to be the US fodder right now, especially when there is no benefit to it. Heck the USA collapsing on its own would benefit these nations more then helping the USA ever will. That all assumes that China, Nth Korea, Russia and basically any nation in the Asia pacific is going to stand for this madness.

The USA says a lot of garbage but in the end, they eventually always fold and run away from each and every conflict they have fought for the last half century. What makes you think that this alliance is going to be worth anything
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We did have something similar, though as you kind of alluded to, it was an utter failure and many just viewed it as some anticommunist bloc. It was SEATO, the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, I don't believe it was mutual defense but I might be wrong on that, like similar to a NATO Article V. The problem with such an organization today is that the rhetoric of "countering malign influence" or whatever the White House could aspire to use, in terms of verbiage, would be lackluster. Most of the nations that have disputes with China, if at all, are limited to economic issues, a defensive alliance that it's sole purpose is to counter China would basically be an admission of warmongering. Not that the US is afraid to show the true colors in that area, but still.

Whether it's SEATO, QUAD, AUKUS, whatever acronyms, they always find a way to fail or go bankrupt.
 
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House's updated biosecurity bill sets 2032 decoupling deadline for industry's work with WuXi AppTec, WuXi Biologics​

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WuXi AppTec and genome sequencing firms BGI, MGI and Complete Genomics were the initial targets of the bill. But the U.S. government would be tasked to identify other “foreign adversary biotech companies of U.S. national security concern” for future inclusion, should the law be enacted.

For those potential new additions, the House bill proposes a five-year period of leniency for existing contracts after the identification of the target service provider.
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The biopharma industry and the general public are so far blinded from the selection process for potential targets of the bill. Some U.S. biotechs have warned about potential exposure to the bill—even though their Chinese partners are not currently listed.

Nevertheless, biopharma companies have already started distancing themselves from Chinese CDMOs in general.
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I'm posting it here because I like the picture of Gina Raimondo.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790021842654158939
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If you look at it another way, this is could also be Gina's O face, which is fitting when you consider she tried to screw China's tech and trade industry.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790338196561346599

Looks like all those Failsons and scions of the anglo elite at McKinsey gave the wrong advice to the Saudis.

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the Anglo fascist super state starts jailing whistleblowers, specifically a whistleblower who reported on Anglo war crimes and murder against Afghan civilians. Apparently, the ever servile Australians were acting as hatchet men for the Americans, going back to their history as armed thugs to commit war crimes so the Anglo ruling class can wash their hands clean eg breaker morant case during the Boer war,
 
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That could be it, but I'm failing to see the significance of that as the US already has a defense treaty with the rest of AUKUS, Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, etc.

Forming that into a single organization now could be nothing more than theatrics and would be seen very negatively and warily in the region.

Not to mention bringing the European NATO in, who could not help much tangibly/militarily the US, but would decimate their image and perception in the region to the lowest possible level. If you follow the ASEAN, they are against forming regional blocks as much as possible.

Also, China is ASEAN's biggest trade partner, investor, infrastructure provider, and technology transfer source - with some exceptions like the Philippines who choose to confront China.

At this point, it is not a question of whether the ASEAN will join the US against China, but whether ASEAN will allow the US to attack China and further escalate the situation in the region without a response from them.

They are also certain to officially deny and close their air spaces and territorial waters to the US Navy in the case that the US goes to invade China or tries to disrupt regional shipping, might even employ asymmetrical warfare against them just like Houthis, but much more effective.

It is just that in this case it will be probably China who is going to direct this with intel and missiles/drones, instead of Iran in the case of Houthis.


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With regards to closing of the Straits of Malacca by QUAD, AUKUS or any funny acronym alliances in times of conflict with China – ASEAN will not allow it as the Straits of Malacca is a major artery of world trade as 40% of world trade passes though it, and closing it will have severe impact on world economy and on ASEAN itself. If any acronym alliances were to use military force to close the Straits of Malacca, then it will become an enemy of ASEAN – ASEAN will then partner with China by opening its naval ports and airports to Chinese destroyers, drones and jet fighters to ensure Freedom of Navigation in the Straits of Malacca via joint patrol.
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That's a very optimistic scenario. But I'm not that optimistic for ASEAN. After years of observing what communities of nations did during Covid, the Ukraine War, and the Israel-Gaza War. As an inhabitant of SEA myself, my gut feeling is that if and when the Straits of Malacca is blockaded, ASEAN will be very divided about what to do. Singapore, I suspect will be paralyzed by indecisiveness and confusion as it'll be split between the US and China. It'll be doing alot of diplomatic work and posturing, but it won't do anything too serious to anger either side. Malaysia and Brunei are just hopeless cowards. They will hide away from any fight. Myanmar will be too busy in its civil war and will stay out. The Philippines is the US's pet in SEA, so it'll support the US. So maybe, just maybe, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and the various Indo-China nations might actually have the guts to do something and join forces with China to re-open the SOM. Because these nations are the current growth engines for ASEAN, and have a future to fight for.
 
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