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jiajia99

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Actually I don’t think a hot war loss to China will lead to a collapse of the US, so long as things stay conventional and don’t go full nuclear global MAD.

In the nuclear age, when two nuclear superpowers go to war directly against each other, if they can avoid total use of nukes, then neither side can totally defeat the other. Even if China absolutely owns America to a completely unrealistic degree, wipes out its entire Pacific fleet, destroys the entire USAF and owns the Pacific, invades and takes Hawaii, all America has to do is carpet nuke Hawaii to draw its nuclear red line and that’s basically the war frozen. Because if China sees you are crazy enough to carpet nuke your own territory, they cannot doubt you will be prepared to go full nuclear MAD if push any further, and so long as Chinese leadership isn’t suicidal they won’t push any further as owning the pacific west of Hawaii is basically more than they ever wanted or need.

This is the main reason western elites are so blasé about war against China. They think (I conclude rightly) that they can freeze the conflict no matter how badly they are loosing far from their mainland through nuclear brinkmanship.

They would then be able to blame the total collapse of their financial system on the war loss and redirect domestic fury at such a loss against minorities like they have always done. Basically dust off the German pre-WWII playbook to purge the country of minorities, liberals and LGBTs etc, use massive government spending on infrastructure and military rebuilding to keep the economy going, maybe annex Canada, Mexico and some Latin America countries for resources and to give the people something to cheer about to move on from their loss to the Chinese quicker. And basically build what America’s founding fathers always wanted - a white supremacist continent spanning new world. So expect religious fundamentalism to also be dialled up to 1000.

The biggest risk would be a new civil war breaking out. But to be brutally honest, the rednecks and religious nuts would absolutely curbstomp the liberals and coloureds, so there isn’t really much risk of a break up of the country due to a military stalemate.
In this day and age, the USA cannot simply cart out the nuke button as a deal breaker or conflict freezer so easily. Especially when Russia and China have far better delivery platforms for such weaponry and will only use these weapons only once the USA has crossed the line first in a move that will deprive them of world support in the process.

Also the government spending and military rebranding only really works when they have an endless abundance of weapons/resources along with money that is worth anything, both of which are in question given their current failures in the current two conflicts if their making. It’s going to be hard to purchase resources from other nations when the dollar cannot be used and resorting to outright banditry isn’t going to be so easy when all it does is isolate the USA further from the world stage and even cuts itself off further from the trade they desperately need to survive not to mention that there is only so much stealing one can do before it unites a whole crowd of nations (including the two super powers) to deal with this menace on a more permanent basis with no other nations willing to be the fall guy in that scenario

In fact, I believe that the USA isn’t going to be able to deliver on this white supremacy dream of theirs not because of a lack of will but their sheer incompetence in doing so give most of their leadership are too old to really enact such a policy with any degree of care and most of its younger members are not all that bright given their lack of self awareness and outright crazy thinking that borders on cartoon level of stupid (I mean look at Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio)

A civil war if it ever happens will absolutely break the USA because red neck or not, all these people require infrastructure, cheap food and energy to function and committing themselves to complete madness will definitely deprive themselves of all those things which I can say with confidence they will lack the basic means of developing or repairing those beyond the rudimentary level in the event of such a crisis breaking out given how the governments response to such events happening right now (aka Baltimore bridge and their decade long plan to even try to fix that) is basically incapable of doing anything in the short term and even in the long term, most won’t be around to benefit from the results which the quality will definite be in question

In all honesty, I can expect the major powers in such a calamity to exploit this like crazy should such a golden situation for them to arrive. The new age isn’t going to be a happy one for those parroting the white agenda, that is for sure.
 
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_killuminati_

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Basically dust off the German pre-WWII playbook to purge the country of minorities, liberals and LGBTs etc, use massive government spending on infrastructure and military rebuilding to keep the economy going,

The biggest risk would be a new civil war breaking out. But to be brutally honest, the rednecks and religious nuts would absolutely curbstomp the liberals and coloureds, so there isn’t really much risk of a break up of the country due to a military stalemate.
Unlike pre-WWII Germany, the minority population in the US is actually quite large: 60+ million Latinos, 40+ million blacks, 20 million Asians, 18 million Italians, etc. About half the population is non-redneck. And many of these coloureds are armed to the teeth, involved in gangs. They also happen to make up a significant chunk of the military; 25-37% of different military branches are non-white.
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Many of the states in America were formerly Spanish-Mexican, invaded by the Anglo-Saxons. The last thing US would need are Mexicans reclaiming that land, especially considering how rampant armed gangs in Mexico are. In fact, gangs are the top employer in Mexico.

As well as the fact that not all whites are interested in religious/racial purity. Add to that the fact that many US states have separatist movements, atleast one of which is quite alarming and if seceded, would be a catastrophic loss for the US as a whole.
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Going for racial purity will be the end of US forever.
 
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taxiya

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I think it is a "missile round trainer" (a mockup model for training purpose).
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Africablack

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The biggest risk would be a new civil war breaking out. But to be brutally honest, the rednecks and religious nuts would absolutely curbstomp the liberals and coloureds, so there isn’t really much risk of a break up of the country due to a military stalemate.
You mean like they did the last time they fought? There's no proof that the rednecks and religious nuts would "curbstomp" the liberals and coloreds except you subscribe to the theory that the "coloreds" are stupid and inferior.
 

supersnoop

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I think in their mind they portrait China or Russia as a kind of Mordor, where only Sauron is deciding everything.

They think that Xi or Putin (or any low level boss) will not accept any argument he does not like because there is not free speech, and he will feel threatened.
On the other hand, the self confident westener presidents, CEOs and managers are able to withstand criticism and new ideas.
My favourite pervasive Western belief, Winnie the Pooh is banned in China, yet no less than 2 of these in China1_7MEKEXzc0n-0HD8QN3UPiQ.png

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I once joked, these are actually gas chambers, but perhaps actually they are indoctrination centers.
 

plawolf

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You mean like they did the last time they fought? There's no proof that the rednecks and religious nuts would "curbstomp" the liberals and coloreds except you subscribe to the theory that the "coloreds" are stupid and inferior.

My views are not coloured by white supremacy, in fact I am a huge critic of that idiotic entitled nonsense.

The cold hard reality is that in a war, training, organisation and logistics are deciding factors. Especially in modern warfare where raw physical ability counts for very little in deciding the outcome.

There are countless white militias in the US that organise and train regularly, many of which are made up largely of veterans with close links to active duty military. How many black or coloured militias does the FBI, ATF and other alphabet agencies allow to exist?

Without organisation and support, even the best special forces soldier is just one guy easily overwhelmed by even mediocre opposition operating as effective teams or squads.

It’s also worth looking into the racial mix in America prisons and young military aged male homicide rates ands absolute numbers.

The coloureds will not win because the white state security apparatus is institutionally racist and deeply paranoid about any coloured armed uprising meaning they systematically monitor and suppress all attempts to get organised by coloured groups. Especially anything remotely related to arms and training.

But for the overwhelming majority, armed resistance won’t even be an option. Most will just go meekly when the men in black show up at their door with swat teams in tow waving papers. It won’t be like the current Palestinian vs Israel fight and more like how the Jews were herded into trains bound for the camps. The few who stand and fight will be overwhelmed just like every SWAT team vs lone gunman fight that has ever happened before.
 

Blitzo

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Isn’t that an F16 flying in the background? Just someone taking photos from Taiwan and claiming they are taken on the mainland most likely.

Taxiya's post is an example of what a known mockup model looks like in actual hands of an operator.

Coolgod was referring to the post that Taxiya was replying to, of the "patriot launcher on a truck" that Coolgod previously posted:


... all of which is to say, as I wrote in my post on the PLA SAM thread:
Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, it should be beyond the pale to even entertain the idea that this could be an actual patriot system.
 

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I'm now reviving this months-old discussion. Reasons for delay: wanted to be careful in my reply, went down some rabbit holes doing research, got tied up with "real life," writer's block, etc.

The blow-out panels of the Abrams aren't meant to prevent the bustle-stored ammunition from combusting if hit. Rather, they're designed to channel the combustion up through the turret roof, protecting the crew and the rest of the tank. If an Abrams is hit in the bustle and the ammo there goes off, the vehicle will be mission-killed, but it won't be "kill" killed. For instance, it won't toss its turret à la carousel autoloader tanks.
If the video does in fact show an Abrams, the footage is entirely consistent with the blow-out panels working properly and venting the ammo combustion up and out, leaving a live crew and a tank that's relatively easy to repair.
Only about the bold texts.

Firstly, IMO M1's turret will be tossed off just like a carousel autoloader tank in the same situation when the crew compartment is penetrated..

We all know that the T-tanks turrent blown off is due to the explosion of the ammunition inside the crew compartment. M1 also have some ammunition stored inside the crew compartment , M1A1 has 11, A2 has 6.

I was surprised by your statement that Abramses carry some main-gun ammunition "inside the crew compartment." I had never heard or read that before. So I looked into the matter, and confirmed that some ammo can indeed be stored outside the turret bustle. But just about everything else in your post is mistaken.

For ease of discussion, I'll define and use the term "Exposed Storage." It means storage of tank main-gun ammo in such a way that if it combusts, there is little or nothing to protect the crew from the effects. I believe this is what you mean by "inside the crew compartment." As explained below, currently serving Abramses carry none of their main-gun ammo in Exposed Storage. T‑72/80s, by contrast, carry all of their main-gun ammo in Exposed Storage.

THE M1

The M1 is the initial version of the Abrams, with the 105mm gun. In the M1, 11 rounds of main-gun ammo can be stored outside the turret bustle, as follows:

-> 8 rounds can be stored in a hull locker built into the wall between the fighting compartment and the engine compartment. Crucially, as with the turret bustle, this locker is accessed through blast doors and equipped with blow-out panels. Thus, the locker is not Exposed Storage.

-> 3 rounds can be stored in a rack mounted on the turret floor. This rack *is* Exposed Storage.

So the M1 does have some Exposed Storage in the form of the 3-round floor rack. This issue is moot, though, as all M1s have been withdrawn from service.

THE M1A1 AND M1A2

The M1A1 and M1A2 have the 120mm gun. In the M1A1/2, 6 main-gun rounds can be stored outside the turret bustle, all in the same type of hull locker described above for the M1. There is no floor rack. To reiterate, the hull locker is fitted with blast doors and blow-out panels, and is thus not Exposed Storage.

(Former Abrams tankers have posted that they never stored ammo in the hull locker anyway, instead using it for bottled water, energy drinks, etc.)

These shells have the same chance of being detonated as the shells in T-tanks. Their lesser number makes no difference in blowing up the turret. When these shells are hit, there is no more chances for M1 crews to survive than T crews.

M1's turret does have less chance to be blown off than T-tanks in the same situation because it is much heavier and less ammo to simutanously combust, but for the crew the difference is only about being cripy or charred, the tank itself will be totally wasted beyond repair.

As shown above, these statements are incorrect. In the M1A1/2, no main-gun ammo is in Exposed Storage, whether carried in the turret bustle or the hull locker. As with the turret bustle, the hull locker provides two-way protection (assuming the blast doors are closed and intact). If the fighting compartment is holed, the chance is very low -- I daresay negligible -- that the locker ammo will be set off by any penetrator remnants, spall, sparks, etc. And if the locker is penetrated directly from the outside, the crew and the tank interior are protected from any ammo cook-off by the blast doors and blow-out panels.

In the T-72/80, by contrast, all ammo is in Exposed Storage -- whether carried in the autoloader carousel, fuel-tank slots, or hull/turret brackets. Any fighting-compartment penetration has a reasonable chance of igniting one or more propellant charges (which could then set off other charges), with the crew having a front-row seat to the festivities. More than a front-row seat, actually. The crew is right there on stage themselves. Just look at pics/vids of T-72/80 interiors and imagine being in there while a charge combusts next to you, or worse, while all the charges in the carousel light off.

(Reminder: By "Exposed Storage," I mean that that the crew has little or no protection from combustion of the ammo in question, not necessarily that the rounds/charges are just sitting there in the open. (Although with some of the T-72/80 storage brackets, the charges *are* pretty much just sitting there in the open.) For instance, the T-72 autoloader carousel has a sheet-metal cover with anti-radiation liner on top, so the charges are shielded to some extent against spall etc. from above. But if the carousel charges do go off, there is no meaningful protection from the combustion.)

Secondly, if I remember correctly there was Saudi's M1A2S' crew burnt to death due to the ammunition in the bustle was hit. So even for the intended purpose (deflect the combustion) the bustle design isn't always working.

I searched for but found no report of such an incident; I think your memory is mistaken. Furthermore, I don't claim the bustle storage -- or the hull locker, for that matter -- is perfect, works 100% of the time, or makes the crew invulnerable. For instance, if the blast doors are open or otherwise compromised at the time of an ammo cook-off -- whether through combat damage, malfunction, negligence, or just bad luck -- the crew would be exposed to the effects. A penetration could also kill crew members without any ammo combustion at all -- just as with any other tank. But criticizing the bustle storage on that ground is like writing off parachutes just because they don't guarantee the survival of a pilot who bails out.

This whole debate started when I observed merely that a flame funnel billowing out of the top rear of an Abrams turret is entirely consistent with the blow-out panels working as intended. And indeed it is. This video of a Ukrainian Abrams, posted by @Tam on March 17, 2024, is a good illustration:

Footage that show the first Abrams getting knocked out.

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Note the three crew members (presumably commander, gunner, and loader) who escape from the turret while the ammo is cooking off. If that were a T-72/80 instead, it would be difficult to imagine anyone getting out of the turret with the ammo combusting and flames erupting from the hatch openings.
 
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