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How about just delete Shanghai completely on map. Much easier. Just merge them with any province.
ChongqingHotPot92 dropped in the convo and is complaining about Xi and CPC. Just your average annoying convo you have to read through in case you miss anything important posted in the meantime
The really silly part of this is that after roughy 20 pages, he has yet to add anything substantial to the conversation except more and more padding that adds nothing to the discussion and is simply driving certain members here up the wall from the sheer pointlessness of the discussion.
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You are missing the forest for the trees. Shanghai only has about 2% of China's population, while the Chinese government is one of the most trusted in the world overall by its population, even in the aftermath of COVID-19.
I guess this is some sort of dilemma of a declining empire. The weaker it gets, the more hostile it becomes toward the rising one.
150 countries joint BRI. China has been going from strength to strength. Hong Kong riots were a complete flop.
Netherlands is finished! Finished! I'm telling you!
Previously there was a large power disparity where the US was much stronger and didn't see China as a threat.
But as China got stronger and was seen as a threat, yes, it was inevitable that the US would be hostile.
And we're in a position now where you cam say China and US are roughly equal.
But once the US sees China clearly ahead, the level of hostility will decrease.
So I give it another 5-10 years of increasing hostility from the US, before they have to accept that the overall power differential favours China, and there's not much they can do about it.
Mao did wonders by killing of the old shanghai (aka colonial shanghai). Maybe Xi dada could kill of shanghai for good? Because it looks like new shanghai hasn't changed from old shanghai.
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Well, no doubt that Shanghainese are pro-west, as I mentioned. Shanghai is the perfect example of 崇洋媚外。But you also find hack a lot of Shanghai-like people you mentioned in Beijing's richest districts, such as Sanlitun in Chaoyang District. That's one of the richest areas in China. And it is also the richest folks who are extremely 崇洋媚外 because their wealthy often comes from it. And how did they even get to start their businesses? Connections with key individuals in the Party apparatus. That's why I have long argued that there is an unspoken bureaucratic capitalistic alliance between the "degenerates" and those within the Party. The Party needs them to create jobs and sources of black money, and the bureaucratic capitalists can do much better and have privileged access to do business with foreign MNCs due to Party protection and facilitation. They often function as financial middlemen in China's vast economy. Of course, this is a broad generalisation. Often than not, it is the kids of rich folks who have grown up in the West, obtained PR or citizenships, who then returned to China to be protected by their parents but believe that they are superior to Chinese in China because they have been "civilised" by the Western universities and have easy access to western MNC capital.
There are 3 types of business people in China IMO. Let me call them the Beijing faction, Shenzhen faction and Shanghai faction.
Beijing faction: SOEs, MIC, some software
Shenzhen faction: industrial and tech hardware private companies
Shanghai faction: foreign companies, finance, media and some software.
The interests of the Beijing and Shenzhen factions depend on China doing well. If China does poorly then they lose everything.
But the Shanghai faction - not necessarily physically located in Shanghai of course - doesn't depend on China doing well. They're only there to rent seek and extract profits for foreign MNC. Even worse is that because they are concentrated in service industry it's easy for foreigners to invest in.