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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Case in point
We still see western media talk about the evil chinese commie Melamine tainted baby formula like it would never happen in the west. Instead you have not properly cleaning and maintaining machinery to allow cronobacter sakazakii to grow and contaminate baby formula. Totally different! Also it's natural!
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Quan8410

Junior Member
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Shanghai shitlibs are a well known phenomenon.

The solution is the same as Hong Kong, make them realise there's nothing inherently superior about their city and they can be replaced if needed.

Cut down Shanghai to size and distribute a bit of land to Zhejiang and Jiangsu, take over Shanghai SOEs like SAIC, promote Shenzhen for finance etc
How about just delete Shanghai completely on map. Much easier. Just merge them with any province.
 

jiajia99

Junior Member
Registered Member
ChongqingHotPot92 dropped in the convo and is complaining about Xi and CPC. Just your average annoying convo you have to read through in case you miss anything important posted in the meantime
The really silly part of this is that after roughy 20 pages, he has yet to add anything substantial to the conversation except more and more padding that adds nothing to the discussion and is simply driving certain members here up the wall from the sheer pointlessness of the discussion.
 

supercat

Colonel
The first part of your argument is defiantly true. Even if the Chinese economy were to crash tomorrow, there would unlikely to be famines or large scale civil war/social unrests that characterised much of Chinese history prior to 1978. The social structure and institutions are strong enough to keep the ship from suddenly sinking.

As with hopes for a better future though, the 2022 Omicron lockdowns really dashed many people’s confidence in the government’s ability to solve problems. Intentions were good, but when authorities to lock people up or forcefully evicted to quarantine centres, those who were charged to carry the operations at the lowest level of the power echelon REALLY enjoyed showing off their authority. Then you got all kinds of abuses you read on Weibo. And all those measure failed to stop Omicron. It took an uprising by November 2022 to force Xi to completely renounce the long-failed Zero Covid policy. By then, people’s hopes were dashed. China still has yet to recover from that social trauma.

The abuse of power at the lower levels of the nomenklatura style bureaucracy shows a failure of administration similar to those of the Great Leap Forward, but thankfully far less people died. No accountability or course correction what so ever until too late. Nonetheless, it has not stoped folks from questioning whether their kids could have lives.
You are missing the forest for the trees. Shanghai only has about 2% of China's population, while the Chinese government is one of the most trusted in the world overall by its population, even in the aftermath of COVID-19.
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The only cope I see being mentioned is that China would go so strong, that it would deter the US, but this is wrong, because in fact the opposite happened, the stronger China got in the past, the more extreme US behavior toward it was. That is all pointing at more hostility.
I guess this is some sort of dilemma of a declining empire. The weaker it gets, the more hostile it becomes toward the rising one.

150 countries joint BRI. China has been going from strength to strength. Hong Kong riots were a complete flop.
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Netherlands is finished! Finished! I'm telling you!
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
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The only cope I see being mentioned is that China would go so strong, that it would deter the US, but this is wrong, because in fact the opposite happened, the stronger China got in the past, the more extreme US behavior toward it was. That is all pointing at more hostility.

You can say that the weaker the US gets and the more problems internally and in the other parts of the globe it experiences it would stop, but recent history also tells opposite and places this as a non-factor at best.

Previously there was a large power disparity where the US was much stronger and didn't see China as a threat.
But as China got stronger and was seen as a threat, yes, it was inevitable that the US would be hostile.

And we're in a position now where you cam say China and US are roughly equal.

But once the US sees China clearly ahead, the level of hostility will decrease.

So I give it another 5-10 years of increasing hostility from the US, before they have to accept that the overall power differential favours China, and there's not much they can do about it.
 

A potato

Junior Member
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Shanghai shitlibs are a well known phenomenon.

The solution is the same as Hong Kong, make them realise there's nothing inherently superior about their city and they can be replaced if needed.

Cut down Shanghai to size and distribute a bit of land to Zhejiang and Jiangsu, take over Shanghai SOEs like SAIC, promote Shenzhen for finance etc
Mao did wonders by killing of the old shanghai (aka colonial shanghai). Maybe Xi dada could kill of shanghai for good? Because it looks like new shanghai hasn't changed from old shanghai.
 
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ChongqingHotPot92

Junior Member
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In fact Shanghaiers often whine so much about how Huawei is bad, DJI is trash, BYD is copy, etc. And yet all of these are Shenzhen enterprises.
Well, no doubt that Shanghainese are pro-west, as I mentioned. Shanghai is the perfect example of 崇洋媚外。But you also find hack a lot of Shanghai-like people you mentioned in Beijing's richest districts, such as Sanlitun in Chaoyang District. That's one of the richest areas in China. And it is also the richest folks who are extremely 崇洋媚外 because their wealthy often comes from it. And how did they even get to start their businesses? Connections with key individuals in the Party apparatus. That's why I have long argued that there is an unspoken bureaucratic capitalistic alliance between the "degenerates" and those within the Party. The Party needs them to create jobs and sources of black money, and the bureaucratic capitalists can do much better and have privileged access to do business with foreign MNCs due to Party protection and facilitation. They often function as financial middlemen in China's vast economy. Of course, this is a broad generalisation. Often than not, it is the kids of rich folks who have grown up in the West, obtained PR or citizenships, who then returned to China to be protected by their parents but believe that they are superior to Chinese in China because they have been "civilised" by the Western universities and have easy access to western MNC capital.
 
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