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taxiya

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Arij Javaid said:
Would you say that china has a larger economy than the US?? By many metrics china does seem to have a larger economy
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Metric is the key. In nominal term, China's manufacturing sector (production of any physical goods) is already 3.9 times of US.
Arij Javaid said:
but nominal GDP of the US has increased like $6 trillion in the past 2 years.
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Don't know where you get the data. Here is something I find from U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis
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GDP for 2023

Real GDP increased 2.5 percent in 2023 (from the 2022 annual level to the 2023 annual level), compared with an increase of 1.9 percent in 2022 (table 1). The increase in real GDP in 2023 primarily reflected increases in consumer spending, nonresidential fixed investment, state and local government spending, exports, and federal government spending that were partly offset by decreases in residential fixed investment and private inventory investment. Imports decreased (table 2).

Current-dollar GDP increased 6.3 percent, or $1.61 trillion, in 2023 to a level of $27.36 trillion, compared with an increase of 9.1 percent, or $2.15 trillion, in 2022 (tables 1 and 3).

See the red texts. That is current dollar GDP which includes inflations meaning it is lower than real GDP. It was 1.61 trillion in 2023 and 2.15 trillion in 2022, at the dolloar value at their respecitive ending date of data collection. It is total 3.76 trillion.

U.S. inflation is 2022 was 8%, 2023 was 4.1%. If I am right, that will lead to 1.978 trillion increase in real GDP of 2022 and 1.5456 trillion in 2023 (only counting inflation from 2022 to 2023). The real GDP increase would be somewhere below 3.52 trillion if 2023 increase considers 2022 inflation as well since we are talking about two year increase here. It is almost half of 6 trillion.

You can see that economic analysis is truelly a science and math on the one hand if you take into all parameters and contexts, but can be a trickery by some people for various purposes.
 
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Xiongmao

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taxiya said:
U.S. inflation is 2022 was 8%, 2023 was 4.1%. If I am right, that will lead to 1.978 trillion increase in real GDP of 2022 and 1.5456 trillion in 2023 (only counting inflation from 2022 to 2023). The real GDP increase would be somewhere below 3.52 trillion if 2023 increase counts 2022 inflation as well since we are talking about two year increase here. It is almost half of 6 trillion.
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Those CPI numbers you are using are the official inflation numbers. There are other unofficial numbers such as the John William's shadow stats which are recalculated inflation numbers to rebase numbers whenever they change the methodology of calculating the CPI to keep all data points consistent throughout time. As you can see, the "real" inflation is roughly 4% higher than the headline figure. Which means that the real US economy actually contracted in recent years.

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Arij Javaid said:
Would you say that china has a larger economy than the US?? By many metrics china does seem to have a larger economy but nominal GDP of the US has increased like $6 trillion in the past 2 years.
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By all traditional definitions, yes. China's gdp is increasing at an even faster rate and they already had a higher starting base since the mid 2010s.

What people don't always take into account is that while China has had a larger economy for 10 years now, US has enjoyed the benefits of being the largest economy for a longer time than China has, even if tech level was relatively lower back when US was no1.

So it isn't entirely clear cut that China is more built up than US, even if China has the larger economy today. Especially in military matters, the US has a much larger standing force.

Imho if you give it 5-10 more years, China's advantage will become very clear.
 
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What they don't ever say is what's the make-up of the protestors. If it's just Muslims, what do they expect? Why should they care? Jews hate them... They hate the Jews. If it's white Anglo-Saxons involved also, then I can understand their worry since they're so dependent on the West's protection. You can never tell because it's perplexing that Jews ally themselves with right-wing Christians who are main perpetuators of antisemitism in the world. With the Chinese, they should be happy Chinese are at most apathetic but they're not content with it. The Chinese owe them nothing nor should feel guilty for anything because the Chinese never participated in antisemitism in history. But they're portraying Chinese being antisemitic just because the don't blindly jump to their side especially after Oct. 7th. And what have they done for the Chinese to believe they deserve such privilege? Nothing. If you want to believe in the stereotypes of the Jews that they own the banks and the media because now it does seem like they have that kind of power being displayed because of Oct. 7th, they're the ones spreading anti-Chinese hate around the world. Before Oct. 7th, I would read anti-Chinese stories in Israeli newspapers. Oct. 7th is just another excuse not the reason. Back in the late 1800s in the US when anti-Chinese sentiment was high, Jews opened their synagogues for the Ku Klux Klan to use for their anti-Chinese meetings planning their campaigns. What did the Chinese do to them? If you want to follow stereotypes, they did it just to deflect hate off from them. And they wonder why people hate them.
 
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sheogorath said:
It isn't the first time and has been the Zionist's MO. From allying with the Nazis in 1933 to help them mass deport jews to Palestine, to also cause false flag attacks all along the middle east in the 1950's and 1960's in order to stoke antisemitism and force the Jews of many arabs country to flee
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Seems like a vicious circle, though, as they are basically on a speed run to prove almost every anti-semitic stereotype right. They aren't being helped by Twitter "translate" button and Tiktok showing how a big chunk of the Israeli population are horrible human beings
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Seriously disgusting. Is there anything more antisemite than Israel itself? It is sad to see average Jewish person side with the zionist state. They could very well live here quietly, in North America, but they just have to pull us into a genocide. Like a hostage with Stockholm syndrome they side with the abuser, the very source of their misery.
 
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What they don't ever say is what's the make-up of the protestors. If it's just Muslims, what do they expect? Why should they care? Jews hate them... They hate the Jews. If it's white Anglo-Saxons involved also, then I can understand their worry since they're so dependent on the West's protection. You can never tell because it's perplexing that Jews ally themselves with right-wing Christians who are main perpetuators of antisemitism in the world. With the Chinese, they should be happy Chinese are at most apathetic but they're not content with it. The Chinese owe them nothing nor should feel guilty for anything because the Chinese never participated in antisemitism in history. But they're portraying Chinese being antisemitic just because the don't blindly jump to their side especially after Oct. 7th. And what have they done for the Chinese to believe they deserve such privilege? Nothing. If you want to believe in the stereotypes of the Jews that they own the banks and the media because now it does seem like they have that kind of power being displayed because of Oct. 7th, they're the ones spreading anti-Chinese hate around the world. Before Oct. 7th, I would read anti-Chinese stories in Israeli newspapers. Oct. 7th is just another excuse not the reason. Back in the late 1800s in the US when anti-Chinese sentiment was high, Jews opened their synagogues for the Ku Klux Klan to use for their anti-Chinese meetings planning their campaigns. What did the Chinese do to them? If you want to follow stereotypes, they did it just to deflect hate off from them. And they wonder why people hate them.
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The comment section of that article that have these people continuous claiming that the Palestinians are in the wrong for attacking on the 7th of October when it is the Israelis that be been committing a 75 year long genocide campaign against the Palestinians with the help of the US really makes my blood boil, they seem to ignore the truth in favor of feeling good about themselves. Should a civil war occur in both the US and the EU and Israel ends up suffering for all of there horrible actions, I think I am going to enjoy watching these people in the comment section and anyone that supports these genocidal monsters choke on there uninformed bullshit.
 
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argo said:
Another route to Europe developing. Turkey doing their own thing.
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Turkey is part of BRI, so all of this will simply aid in washing excess USD into Chinese Yuan.

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Apparently, on top of the dog's breakfast that is the Paris Olympics, and the drag queens, they put up the Olympic flag upside down!! Anglo australians did it as well, and you can bet if China had made that mistake, the western press would've never let up on it. I need to rest my eyes to restore my faith in humanity, thank the old gods and the new that Beijing 2008 still exists in this timeline.

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thankfully, Quebecois diva Celine Dion returned to the stage for the Paris Olympics
 
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