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thank NATO and western small dick energy for bringing China and the heir of the mongol horde back to Europe


for those not aware, Conan’s words were apocryphally attributed to Ghengis khan.
NATO can't even prevent the defeat of Ukraine, what can an "Asian NATO" possibly achieve?

There was a time when I wondered how a country of almost 350 million people, calling itself the home of Democracy, can only realistically ever put forward two presidential candidates (not to mention their quality), only ever associated with the same two political factions.

Then, I started wondering, how is it, that anyone can consider them a democracy at all, when this 350 million strong nation still uses the original system set up by its founding fathers, back when said nation had 2,5 million people. That system would be deemed insuficient even for a moderatly sized city in today's world...
The US is essentially ruled by the deep-state. Presidents are just figureheads.

Here are some quotes. Noam Chomsky: "The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats."

Julius Nyerere: 'Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!'

David P Goldman writes about the importance of Global South for China. My only quibble is the way he argues about China's innovation. I don't think the West has a decisive edge in innovation over China anymore.
If China succeeds, or rather, continues to succeed, in assimilating the six billion people of the Global South into its economic sphere, it will be the world’s dominant power.
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The good thing is that the West is not the whole world.
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Female Asian American writer, nuff said.

This "expert" obviously has no idea that the Soviet Union would have contributed to the liberation of China otherwise.
 
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One part of me wants to see just how many weapons China can produce and ship if it went all-in on supporting Russia. Just what kind of beast it would be if it were to commit to total war with its current industrial output. If nafoids wanna FAFO, we may really get to bear witness.

In dedication to both respective nominees for the running to become the next/retain the U.S. Presidency. Courtesy: Wumao's/Little Pinks of Weibo, China.

The Great Firewall is not there to insulate Chinese people from the outside, it's there to protect the internet at large from Chinese shitposters. Comrade Xi, tear down this [fire]wall!
 

MarKoz81

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The US is essentially ruled by the deep-state. Presidents are just figureheads.

All states are ruled by the "deep state". That's the nature of bureaucracy and institutional dynamics.

The US is presently an elected monarchy where the president represents the unity of the states that are still governed by the fractious system from early post-Revolutionary era. This is why the president alone has relatively little power despite superficially having enormous influence. It's a flawed system that for example existed in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and brought about the collapse of the kingdom in late 18th century because it was a system that did not limit the informal economic and political power of the oligarchy and organised political factions. The "king" exists so that the oligarchs can use the state to their aims but the state can't be too centralised or it becomes a threat to the oligarchy.

Here are some quotes. Noam Chomsky: "The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats."

Chomsky is a waste of time. He's a stupid man's idea of a political philosopher.

The US isn't a one-party system. It's two countries competing for power within one political system.

Since its inception the US was an artificial amalgam of two fundamentally opposed cultures - Southern landowners and Northern farmers. South resembled serfdom-based absolute monarchies and oligarchies of Eastern Europe. North resembled the rent-based centralising states of Western Europe.

South was more populous and richer than North throughout the colonial era until approx. 1810, however already in 1790 the free population in theSouth fell below free population in the North. The ongoing immigration to the newly established US and the land distribution policies of North and South only ensured that this dynamic would continue.

table may include minor discrepancies
free population North/Free statestotal population South/Slave statesfree population South/Slave statesslave population South/Slave states
17901.26m2.39m1.22m0.65m
18002.27m2.73m1.69m0.84m
18103.49m3.22m2.14m1.1m
18204.85m4.24m2.77m1.49m
18306.98m5.57m3.64m1.97m
18409.65m7.02m4.66m2.39m
185013.34m9.31m6.21m3.15m
186018.62m11.86m8.00m3.93m

Now if you remember that three fifths clause guarantees that 5 slaves are counted as 3 free men for the purpose of Congressional representation and Electoral college you should easily see why Secession really happened and why it was the North that threatened secession in 1815.

Southern states were built on an unstable foundation of greatly unequal land distribution and control of slave labour by the largest landowners. That gave the Southern elites capital to capture the less democratic governments of the states as well as their electoral methods in the federal government. For example the first seceding state South Carolina had no direct elections to federal level at all. Many states also had populations of slaves similar to free populations as slave populations were boosted to keep labour pool (and political influence). In 1850 Virginia had 667k free and 452k slave, Georgia - 524k free and 381k slave, North Carolina - 580k free and 288k slave, South Carolina - 283k free and 384k slave (!), Alabama - 428k free and 342k slave, Mississipi - 296k free and 310k slave (!), Louisiana - 273k free and 245k slave.

As long as South controlled the federal government the US served their purposes. Jackson hijacked the democratic rhetoric which kept the populist vote with the Southern elites - largely mirroring how conservative populism today serves the Republican oligarchy.

Due to demographic shift North managed to gain control of the federal government - first by winning presidential elections in 1840 (Whig-Harrison) with a Whig majority in Congress (but just one 2year term 1841-1843, 1843-45 HoR went Democrat and Senate stayed Whig) and 1850 (Whig-Taylor) but without Congress. Democrats/South fought back introducing vote splitters but by 1858 the newly formed Republican party of ex-Whigs won HoR and in 1860 took the entire federal government with Lincoln.

Another important factor was source of federal budget. Without a central bank and direct taxation the government relied on tariffs which were mostly paid by richer Southern states and consumed by poorer Northern states. However a disproportionate burden fell on the relatively poorer white working class in the South, while Southern elites simply lost profits.

Southern elites successfully convinced the masses that North would free the slaves and force the whites to share land and live together and that secured support for Secession which at the time was viewed very differently than it would be today. Back then there was no "American nation" and people's patriotic sentiment was mostly linked to their home state.

Once the Secession happened war was inevitable. Not only had the Union lost a major source of revenue but geopolitics made it inevitable. Being placed between British Canada and British-friendly South, while itself a competing industrialising economy would be threatened and limited in access to resources of the continent.

After the Secession War Union sought to reintegrate the states into the Union without reforming the systems of the states, as it didn't view - much like North/Democrats viewing South/Republicans of today - the underlying mental maps and cultural differences as fundamental. To the North - which was more influenced by progressive Pietist Protestants - Southerners were simply wrong/sinful (bigoted!) and had to change and since Republicans controlled the government they would do it in time.

Except the system in place which was not changed to preserve control of territory and government ensured that Republicans would never have sufficient control to force change of lifestyle in the South, also because conflict between whites and blacks secured votes for the party.

And that meant that Northern establishment which was in control of the country until late 20th century would use the South as a battleground for their race war to gain votes.

This effectively meant that the Secession War became very much an actual Civil War that lasts to this day and is fought out during elections. This is why Democrats and Republicans hate each other despite both parties being largely moderate platforms that only in recent years became driven by radical ideological narratives.

Right now it seems like split between Republicans and Democrats is ideological because highly centralised media networks shape an uniform narrative but the same couldn't be said in the 1980s when the moderate "exhausted majority" of today (70% vs 30% of radicals) had more free expression and greater influence over public debate.

And yet, the Democrats and Republicans kept fighting even back then. Why? The history of the country and the false identity that the government imposed on the people are the answer. Americans were raised to think they're one nation and act like two nations. What they are in reality is a huge mess.

Ok, that's enough.
 

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Well, I suppose if you look at it from the context of the Cultural Revolution creating enough chaos and leaving enough of a power vacuum for Deng Xiaoping to ascend to the top position and be able to garner enough support to carry out his vision for the future of China.

If you talk to people that actually lived through that time period, you will clearly understand why it was not a great time for most people in China. Basically wasted the potential of almost an entire generation.
Culture Revolution purged people believing “买办” who believe 造不如买,买不如租, such as Liu and Deng. It sent students to the countryside, and it was the key reason you got the countless 农民工in the 80's to build the current China. Like any revolution, ordinary people suffer. It's hypocritical to praise China's achievement and at the same time criticize how she got to go through. By the way, Deng is the granddaddy of all corruptions in China. Without him China would be in a much better shape.
 

tresriogrande

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China would be a much worse place today without Deng plain and simple.

History is written by the winners. Lot of policy changes people credited to him were actually already set in motion long before Deng took power. How many of his personal bodyguards ended up as the equivalent of 4 or 5 star generals? When your enemies praise him, it's time to reflect.
 

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90% of Asian Americans polled said they would vote in the coming U.S. election. Most said they would vote Democrat as it did a better job at countering racism than Republicans.

To be fair Asian American classification is still preferential to being banned from owning land, studying non bullshit majors, and eventually sent to concentration camps.
 

9dashline

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To be fair Asian American classification is still preferential to being banned from owning land, studying non bullshit majors, and eventually sent to concentration camps.
dont forget the gas chambers... Trump, Bannon and Cotton and crew are probs already getting to make ready the ovens... fact of the matter is, what they did to the Palestinians will be considered mercy compared to what they finna do to ethnic Chinese in the USA
 
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