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_killuminati_

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Non-interference is just a marketing term, in reality China does plenty of political plays, which is why US has seen a lot of setbacks geopolitcally in the last years.

To understand what China means by non-interference, you need to understand how China views itself, as a sort of steward for an international law based world order. So when China interferes against US attempts to change status quo and/or break international law, the Chinese government does not consider it interference to stop/counter them, but protection of the status quo.
But where does it do that? I have not seen China countering USA directly by involving itself in foreign politics, except maybe in N.Korea and Russia.

Trump is proposing 60% tariffs on all goods/services from China, so I don't see how he is "better" for China. Zombie Joe isn't good for China either, but atleast he isn't a batshit crazy and blow up global economy like Trump.
Those exorbitant tariffs on China will make American products uncompetitive in the global market (i.e. more expensive iPhones) which ultimately benefits Chinese manufacturers, giving them a larger share of the global market.

One good thing coming from the new Iranian elections is that the Saudis and the rest of GCC may be much more comfortable developing relations with a more moderate/reformist president.
Also, it doesn't matter whether the new president wants better relations with the West - it is impossible as long as hostility towards Israel persists in Iran, and the anti-Israeli sentiment is simply too embedded across Iranian politics, society, and military to change especially now with the Gaza situation.
Anti Israeli hostility persists all across the Islamic world including inside Saudi Arabia and Jordan, the latter of which is working with Israel. The only difference is, unlike Iran, these other states have pacified their domestic populations well enough to not cause issues for the state itself. That could be done in Iran too, especially considering that Iran's population is not as conservative as most Arabs.
 
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Phead128

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Those exorbitant tariffs on China will make American products uncompetitive in the global market (i.e. more expensive iPhones) which ultimately benefits Chinese manufacturers, giving them a larger share of the global market.
The proposed US tariffs are 60% on imports from China, China can still export iPhones globally (ex-US) without this tariff cost.
US doesn't manufacture any iPhones for export, it's mostly made-in-China and maybe some older models in India now.
 

CMP

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The proposed US tariffs are 60% on imports from China, China can still export iPhones globally (ex-US) without this tariff cost.
US doesn't manufacture any iPhones for export, it's mostly made-in-China and maybe some older models in India now.
The tariffs are partly intended to light a fire under suppliers' asses to move their production out of China. Given most such outsourcing projects will result in lower productivity, higher costs, etc., this is why the inflation for the US cannot be truly tamed. US businesses see their own costs go up and then raise prices to maintain their profit margins. Fed then raises interest rates and keeps them higher for longer to try and counteract this inflationary blow-back from imperialist trade policy. It is all a beast of their own creation. They are caught in their own trap.
 

_killuminati_

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The proposed US tariffs are 60% on imports from China, China can still export iPhones globally (ex-US) without this tariff cost.
US doesn't manufacture any iPhones for export, it's mostly made-in-China and maybe some older models in India now.
Okay, maybe iPhone was a bad example. But US still imports a lot of components, basic items as well as sophisticated systems from China which are used in American manufacturing and services. In the end, US suffers serious inflation at home as well as diminished competitiveness in the global market (which means less employment and wealth for Americans). Maybe the US wants an exodus of foreign manufacturers from China, but then again, no other country has shown to be a viable alternative. They tried with India but soon found that it is not feasible.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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But where does it do that? I have not seen China countering USA directly by involving itself in foreign politics, except maybe in N.Korea and Russia.


Those exorbitant tariffs on China will make American products uncompetitive in the global market (i.e. more expensive iPhones) which ultimately benefits Chinese manufacturers, giving them a larger share of the global market.


Anti Israeli hostility persists all across the Islamic world including inside Saudi Arabia and Jordan, the latter of which is working with Israel. The only difference is, unlike Iran, these other states have pacified their domestic populations well enough to not cause issues for the state itself. That could be done in Iran too, especially considering that Iran's population is not as conservative as most Arabs.
Central Asia and SEA outside Philippines and Singapore. I've seen it myself.

In early 2000s, central Asian countries were even allowing US military bases in "support of Afghanistan" but was it really in support of Afghanistan? Now Kazakhstan has a Chinese speaking President.

Malaysia was one of the most rabidly anti-Chinese countries and has apartheid against Chinese Malaysians. The Malay party was holding a nationalist rally.

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He said a few simple sentences.
“I walk around Petaling Street, I see here everything is orderly. Business is booming and there are many international visitors, but more importantly, I see the Chinese getting along in harmony with other races. I am very pleased,” he said, as quoted by Malaysiakini.

“We do not want to see such a good situation destroyed by any people with ulterior motives,” said Huang.

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The rally was called off immediately afterwards and organizers denied involvement.
The Malaysian Insider reported that Armed Forces Veterans Association president Mohd Ali Baharom, also known as Ali Tinju, who admitted to being the organiser, had called off the protest in order to give ‘space’ for the authorities to solve the ‘Petaling Street issue’ and react to demands for more Malay traders to be allowed to conduct business there.
Earlier, after Sungai Besar Umno chief Datuk Jamal Md Yunos denied all links to tomorrow’s rumoured protest, Petaling Street traders have decided not to shutter their businesses for the day.
 

taxiya

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Reformist Massoud has won in Iran's presidential election

Anybody can talk about what this means for West/China ties etc?
I think labelling people into catagories predefined by western media is a wrong start of analysing anything outside of west. Just like marriage, left and right means totally different things between the west and the rest of the world, refromist can mean different things. An example that everyone would know is that the "reformist" Gobarchev of USSR was a spiritual western proxy/agent, the reformist Deng Xiaoping is a staunch communist.

I noticed that it is not only commoners outside west who uses western words, concepts, methodolies and way of thinking to make sense of things, but also lots of mass medias inside non-west countries such as China, even to the point of some academians and communist medias. Such as articles from globaltimes may use such labelling. To be truelly independent thinking, to defeat the western dominance, to librate ourselves (non-westerners) we should defeat the "westerner" inside ourselves. As a wellknown Chinese saying "破山中贼易,破心中贼难“, it is easy to defeat the enemy infront, difficult to defeat the one inside our minds.

Back to the specific, Massoud is the president of Iran, whatever reform he has in mind is for Iran's insterest that is also guided and guarded by the supreme leader and his consuls. So long as Iran's strategic interest remains unchanged, nothing major (IMO worth of notion) is going to happen.
 

taxiya

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It seems that people have short memories.

Remember when Imran Khan became prime minister? The western media labelled him as reformist aka pro-west who would distant from China. The media even went so far to call pause of some China sponsered projects as evidence of his pro-west stance. Then at the end of his time, he was portraited as being enemy of the west and army, at least himself did so.

Then we have Myanmar and Aung San Suu Kyi being labelled as the good before taking power then the bad when she did not do what the west wanted. All at the whim of the west.

The west is making up talkings and questions to blackmail any political leader into being their popet and putting wedges between him and his friend and his people. This tactic has been played over and over again. The last thing anybody outside the west should pick up is echoing such talkings which will serve the purpose of the west.

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Many Chinese are angry when the west twistting things about China, pitting Chinese against Chinese, but when the victim is other non-west countries such as NK, Iran, Russia and so on, lot of Chinese easily take up western talk points. Maybe this "lot of Chinese" are not that "many Chinese" but if someone happens to be in both (and I know there are lot in this forum) he/she should try other's shoes.
 
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pmc

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"reformist" Gobarchev of USSR was a spiritual western proxy/agengt, the reformist Deng Xiaoping is a staunch communist.
where you get Gorarcheve western reformist?. the word reform mean to change the outlook and economic foundation of Society.
i will not even call MBS Pro western reformer despite tremendous increase in Saudi society interaction with West.
which direction Russian society went?. if there was not some other countries consideration until now there would have been some entirely new bigger entity created. They were taking wise advice decades ago.

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Chevalier

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Reformist = pro west. They don't want reform, they want pro west. Many want to go back to kings ruling them, is that really reform? Their social policy statements are irrelevant. Just watch Iranian street interviews. This is a mild one, there's another where one guy talks about bad stuff the UK did and replaces it with China, and people get riled up about China.


They are not angry for the bullying, they're angry that they're not part of the bullies.
TFW Iranians are basically Indians where the Leadership actually care about autonomy but the people are self hating and want to slaves to white Anglo Zionists, Very indian of them.
IMO this is pretty much a successful color revolution by Western intelligence. Watch as the detente between Saudi Arabia and Iran breaks down. This is the imperialist response to Saudi Arabian dedollarization.
dedollarisation is going to happen with or without Saudi and Iranian cooperation. It is a trend of history along with decarbonisation of the economy, led by China and its green tech and EVs. The petroleum states vis a vis China, just don’t have the same amount of leverage that they do over the western economies,
 
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