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FriedRiceNSpice said:

Its not purely historical, the meddling by foreign powers have never ceased. Any regime that begins the process of independent development and institution building that does not become a vassal to a foreign power is ruthless toppled or couped. Outside of East Asia, do you see a single developed state that was a former colony, outside of oil-rich vassal states?

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And they're not going to cease. Strength is developed from within. If they can't do it, they're gonna be under a boot forever. My solution is how to get out. Doing anything else, whether it be blaming history or hostile powers is to continue accepting failure.

Minm said:

You sound like someone from 150 years ago blaming Chinese culture and Confucianism for why China fell behind the west.

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Indeed, if I went back in time to become Emperor, I would have instilled a culture of discipline and scientific endeavor that would have fortified China into a military power with jet fighters and nuclear weapons before the West ever dared set foot on our land with their ugly old steam-powered machines. Weakness is always wrong and China fell behind the West due to a period of weakness and decadence.

Minm said:

Most Muslim states are developing, but expecting every country to be as technologically advanced as China is honestly ridiculous.

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I never expected them to be like us, but at least they could stand up like North Korea.

Minm said:

Look at countries like turkey, Iran, the UAE, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia for Muslim countries that are investing in technology and developing their countries. Of course there's also cases like Pakistan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. But for many of these countries I'd argue that their mistake is not being too religious to focus on technology and work, but that they are too proud to submit to a powerful backer. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Afghanistan are in the state they are because they were attacked. In the case of Iraq and Syria, attacks came despite a secular state trying to deemphasize religion. Some of them are simply innocent victims

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None of these countries that you mentioned have developed any significant technology. Turkey is the best and I'd say they have a chance at fighting Israel but they are still heavily reliant on foreign technology. Nothing here compares to the height of Muslim power.

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Bytedance denied the allegations in Chinese, though tbh I trust WaPo over Bytedance here.

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And how do we know this is not propaganda? The burden is on the extraordinary claimant with a history of unreliability to show proof. Do they at least have an audio recording or something?

Part of the IP in Tiktok is legally considered a national security issue and cannot be shared. The article essentially accuses Tiktok of doing something that will get it ripped apart in court and possibly see many execs charged.

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Minm said:

Look at countries like turkey, Iran, the UAE, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia for Muslim countries that are investing in technology and developing their countries. Of course there's also cases like Pakistan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. But for many of these countries I'd argue that their mistake is not being too religious to focus on technology and work, but that they are too proud to submit to a powerful backer. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Afghanistan are in the state they are because they were attacked. In the case of Iraq and Syria, attacks came despite a secular state trying to deemphasize religion. Some of them are simply innocent victims

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In case of Turkey and Iran, they have had the fortune of avoiding colonization and have centuries of experience with state building and institution building. Though their institutions were backwards, they didn't have to start from complete scratch like many of the Middle Eastern/North African countries whom hadn't had self-governance for multiple centuries (since Ottoman conquest). The UAE aligned close enough to Western powers, and had ample oil wealth, as did the Saudis. Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Indonesia are good examples of what Muslim nations can achieve from scratch without constant foreign-backed coups and regime-toppling military interventions. Malaysia is particularly successful due to having had strong East Asian cultural influences.

tygyg1111 said:

To be fair, 150 years ago there were genuine issues with the way Chinese culture and Confucianism were practiced.
Primarily, the belief that one's own ways were the best and only; all others are either wrong or will be revealed to be wrong after enough time has passed.

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I'm not sure if the blame can fully be attributed to Confucianism. The Tang and Song were still relatively progressive and made major cultural, societal, economic, and scientific advancements. For some reason, the Ming and the Qing which followed were much more conservative and reactionary. Are there any significant differences between pre-Ming Confucianism and Ming-Qing Neo-Confucianism/Rationalism that can explain this shift? I myself have only rudimentary knowledge of Confucianism.

MULTI-YEAR DATA STUDY SHOWS DEEP MEDIA BIAS AGAINST CHINA The international media is stunningly biased against China, data from a multi-year study has confirmed. Out of 133 lengthy analyses of China in the Financial Times “Big Read” column over a four-year period, only two articles presented China positively, researchers in Hong Kong and London discovered. Separate studies of the Guardian and the BBC showed that 90% of China stories were negatively framed. In the researched period to July 2021, there were 576 reports on China in the UK Telegraph, of which only 2.5% took a positive stance. . . . .

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ALMOST NO POSITIVE COVERAGE In general, news media almost never published a positive report about the country, said the analysis of reports in the Telegraph, the Guardian, the BBC, the Financial Times and the Economist. The result was that the public received a misleading image of the country, said the study by Dr Tim Summers, who led the research project involving Hong Kong and UK academic institutions. “The British media texts researched for this paper contain almost no positive coverage of China,” Dr Summers’ paper says. “This will not come as a surprise to many readers.” The bias of western mainstream media’s coverage of China is widely known. But Dr Summers’ team at Hong Kong’s Chinese University and London’s Lau China Institute (part of King’s College) enables a data-based look at the problem. . . . .

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OVER-POLITICIZATION LENS Bias was not the only problem. The study revealed that western journalists tended to politicize all their coverage of China—even when the topic being covered was not politics. “A political and normative lens is often brought to coverage of social, economic and cultural issues”, researchers said. Reporters put everything through their hostile western lens to “reinforce a monochrome, reductionist and negative picture of the country and its politics,” Dr Summers said. . . . .

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THE ECONOMIST SCORES ZERO The Economist covers China with a weekly column called “Chaguan” written by David Rennie, which constantly recycles the same words over and over to paint whatever China does as “bullying” and “threatening”, the research showed. There was not the slightest attempt at fairness. Analysis showed his columns were mostly clearly negative, with a small number being mixed. The data indicated that not a single one was classified as clearly positive. . . . .

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HONG KONG AND XINJIANG The research showed that the names of two locations, Hong Kong and Xinjiang, were thrown into articles almost randomly as keywords for repression. “They are frequently mentioned in passing in reports on topics that are not related to either place, in a way that frames China negatively: a template to plug into any story that needs evidence for Chinese ‘repression’, even if that story does not relate either to Hong Kong or Xinjiang,” the study said. . . . .

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HARMFUL TO CHINESE PEOPLE Interestingly, some reporters seemed to know this position was harmful to China and its people. The report quotes John Sudworth, the BBC correspondent notorious for his hostile attitude to China, and associated with the now-debunked “Uyghur genocide” narrative. Sudworth admitted in an interview that he focused only on the negative, and knew that doing that was problematic. He said: “Obviously there is a danger that that becomes shorthand not just for the Chinese Government and the Chinese system but for the sort of place China is and for its people in general, and I can really see the danger in this.” It’s fascinating that he knew how harmful this was, but it never stopped him and his BBC colleagues giving the world a totally misleading image of China—which the BBC continues to do on a daily basis. China correspondents defend themselves by saying that they are not down on the Chinese people, but just hate the Chinese government. Analysis of their writings indicated that wasn’t true, the research showed. . . . .

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PROF BELL: ‘EVIL GOVERNMENT’ The negative narrative is so solid in western media that other views cannot be put forward, said Professor Daniel Bell, quoted in the study. “There is almost universal consensus in the West that China is led by an evil government that is bad to its own people and dangerous to people in other countries. It’s extremely difficult to publish views that argue otherwise.” How to get the truth out? You can’t. The western media is so united on this narrative, that they have turned public opinion in western countries against China. Professor Bell added: “Public opinion makes it almost impossible to publish comments that offer a balanced picture of Chinese politics in leading Western media outlets.” Dr Summers ends his report with a recommendation. “To achieve a more accurate and comprehensive understanding of China, alternative sources of information should be actively explored, and those with different opinions encouraged to contribute to the policy debate.”

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At this point either these Anglos are some massive certified dumb racists (those kinds of bullshit articles are demand-driven for readership profit), or live in a North Korea-type society (supply-driven over-capacity of such articles directed by the intelligence apparatus) or both.

Imagine what would happen to all of their rent-seeking or finance bankster oligarchs (especially important for the UK and US) if those populations realized the truth about the Chinese superior and fair societal model where you have people always put in the first place.

manqiangrexue said:

None of these countries that you mentioned have developed any significant technology. Turkey is the best and I'd say they have a chance at fighting Israel but they are still heavily reliant on foreign technology. Nothing here compares to the height of Muslim power

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No middle income country has ever developed significant world leading technology, China is the only example. Setting China as the baseline means that everyone else falls short. Turkey and Iran have both developed technologies for substituting some imports, but without the scale of China or India they can't possibly develop a complete ecosystem.

For developing countries, the examples I mentioned are doing ok. Not as good as Korea or China, but they're going in the right direction and are slowly catching up. Maybe some cultures are slightly slower at development, maybe it's the neighbourhood in which there's constant war. But overall, competent central and western Asian governments are comparable to south east Asian countries in their development. Muslim countries clearly can develop. Just not all of them do. I'd agree that a radical religious government is not a very good way of governing a country, but most Muslim countries aren't ruled like that


I think the example of east Asian countries shows that Confucianism can be very good for development, but you have to combine it with a competent government and peace. China didn't decline because of culture, but because it was threatened by rebellion and hostile neighbouring empires and had a government which wasn't competent enough to deal with these issues

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Unilateral US sanctions don't mean jack shit anymore in this new world architecture (described there). The only sanctions that generally work wonders are those UNSC global sanctions. Those kinds of sanctions permanently kept North Korea backward. I won't go into detail about why China and Russia didn't veto them, but had they done that, then the US couldn't have possibly brought North Korea down this much either.

Serb said:

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Unilateral US sanctions don't mean jack shit anymore in this new world architecture (described there). The only sanctions that generally work wonders are those UNSC global sanctions. Those kinds of sanctions permanently kept North Korea backward. I won't go into detail about why China and Russia didn't veto them, but had they done that, then the US couldn't have possibly brought North Korea down this much either.

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Naturally, only sanctions enacted by laws decided by the Chinese people will have effect on China's own businesses or economy, anything other than that would be a threat to Chinese security.

The only party I see evading here is America trying to evading the UN. If a international agreement wasn't voted for by China, it does not concern China.

Randomuser said:

Americans unironically think they will somehow survive a nuclear war which is why they are so arrogant. They think they will be in the vaults like in Fallout and will survive.

In reality they will die before they even realized what happened. But that's hubris for you.

They like dishing it but can't take it.

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Main character syndrome and narcissism "i can't die, i'm too important!" Too bad we're living in George R R Martin universe.

Serb said:

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Unilateral US sanctions don't mean jack shit anymore in this new world architecture (described there). The only sanctions that generally work wonders are those UNSC global sanctions. Those kinds of sanctions permanently kept North Korea backward. I won't go into detail about why China and Russia didn't veto them, but had they done that, then the US couldn't have possibly brought North Korea down this much either.

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Anglo atlanticists are so obsessed about China as an enemy, China should respond of course, with a multi decade plan to conquer the territories of the five eyes.