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coolgod

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Wannabe "billionaire" claims world's third richest person is wrong for choosing China over India, best joke I've heard today. Without China's help in setting up Tesla's shanghai plant in 2019, Tesla would not be the company it is today. Without China's approval of Tesla vehicles after Elon Musk's trip to China, he would probably be margin called on his TSLA shares. Tesla needs China, it has no other choice.
Tesla need China to keep stock high but Tesla does not have much self develop engineering that it can offer some one building EV industry. I will even say that Musk personality will become added liability.
The wealthy people were already playing games with his stock. Officials give one signal so that the un officials who has to buy/sell benefit. They never change policies of favoring Japanese/Korean just because they own stock of Tesla. only thing they learned long term reliability of Panasonic batteries in Model S/X and that what went into Lucid.
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tokenanalyst

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I don't think China is the one burning bridges with Israel, I think is Israel-Netanyahu burning bridges with everyone...and they also burning children, women, men, journalists, homes, hospitals, schools, graveyards and so on. But you get the vibe Grossman.
But who cares about the Palestinians, common bro, they are not the "good" Muslims, they are not one of the CIA paid separatists groups living outside China.

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Even burning bridges with other Jews.
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They are now called extremists.
 

TK3600

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I don't think China is the one burning bridges with Israel, I think is Israel-Netanyahu burning bridges with everyone...and they also burning children, women, men, journalists, homes, hospitals, schools, graveyards and so on. But you get the vibe Grossman.
But who cares about the Palestinians, common bro, they are not the "good" Muslims, they are not one of the CIA paid separatists groups living outside China.

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Even burning bridges with other Jews.
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They are now called extremists.
Aren't ultra-orthodox jews the more pro war demographics? Serves them right. About the only good thing of this war.
 

horse

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China will retaliate because you cannot show weakness to the Anglos. Failure to make the Americans pay for this will see all the Eurotrash politicians in the EU pile in with their own tariffs on Chinese EVs and other key future industries.


If I remember correctly, the last time the EU tried to sanction China, China did it back to them the EU even harder.

So much so, that the EU would not try to sanction China after that, that was round the time of that Comprehensive Agreement on Investment being an issue.

Times have changed. That is why I would say do not go overboard with the sanctions, if China decides to hit them with sanctions or whatnot.

Look at Yellen, saying to the Chinese do not hit the US with sanctions, like yesterday, she was just asking politely. I do not think the Americans can threaten China with sanctions without getting a few kicks of the sanctions boots in return back at them.

:)


As for the point of these sanctions or tariffs will be an attempt to buttress these industries of the future, in the United States and Europe, that is very unclear at the moment what the effects will be.

At the moment, I do not believe anyone expects this to work in the short term. The lead the Chinese have in the EVs for example, not to mention 5G, is just way too wide. There is no way the West can match the Chinese EV industry or the 5G technologies and business opportunities, these next several years.

With the EV, they got to build factories to mass produce those EVs at the China price to be competitive. Yeah, right.

As for 5G, they got to build those standalone networks. Too slow.

To cut this post short, those Western tariffs and sanctions, miss the point entirely.

In the end, really unsure if the PRC will retaliate much this time.

The Chinese EV and auto industries growing at leaps and bounds due to internal sales in the China market and sales in the developing world. And not in the West. So the West wants to tariff these Chinese car exports.

What exactly is the point here, other than they are scared shitless?

I don't know. That is why I do not believe the PRC will do much in terms of retaliation in retaliation to these new Biden tariffs.

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BlackWindMnt

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There is a lot of copium and salt by this indian billionaire about Elon musk choosing china over India but he's right in the long run

Tesla is bound to lose share in china as the Chinese have access to better quality, cheaper domestic EV brands. He's right about the fact that he'll regret it but I'm not sure that choosing India which has an underdeveloped EV infrastructure is the right move either.

In short, Elon can remain happy by simply capturing the US market due to protectionism.
If tesla can just keep in China it pretty much mean US and EU will be a piece of cake. If you can make it in the Chinese market as an EV brand, you can make it anywhere.

India doesn't have the same cutthroat market forces.
 

mst

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If I remember correctly, the last time the EU tried to sanction China, China did it back to them the EU even harder.

So much so, that the EU would not try to sanction China after that, that was round the time of that Comprehensive Agreement on Investment being an issue.

Times have changed. That is why I would say do not go overboard with the sanctions, if China decides to hit them with sanctions or whatnot.

Look at Yellen, saying to the Chinese do not hit the US with sanctions, like yesterday, she was just asking politely. I do not think the Americans can threaten China with sanctions without getting a few kicks of the sanctions boots in return back at them.

:)


As for the point of these sanctions or tariffs will be an attempt to buttress these industries of the future, in the United States and Europe, that is very unclear at the moment what the effects will be.

At the moment, I do not believe anyone expects this to work in the short term. The lead the Chinese have in the EVs for example, not to mention 5G, is just way too wide. There is no way the West can match the Chinese EV industry or the 5G technologies and business opportunities, these next several years.

With the EV, they got to build factories to mass produce those EVs at the China price to be competitive. Yeah, right.

As for 5G, they got to build those standalone networks. Too slow.

To cut this post short, those Western tariffs and sanctions, miss the point entirely.

In the end, really unsure if the PRC will retaliate much this time.

The Chinese EV and auto industries growing at leaps and bounds due to internal sales in the China market and sales in the developing world. And not in the West. So the West wants to tariff these Chinese car exports.

What exactly is the point here, other than they are scared shitless?

I don't know. That is why I do not believe the PRC will do much in terms of retaliation in retaliation to these new Biden tariffs.

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If China does not retaliate against tariff from Biden, it show China is weak and EU will follow the same tariff as US. I am surprise China is so quiet so far.
 

horse

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If China does not retaliate against tariff from Biden, it show China is weak and EU will follow the same tariff as US. I am surprise China is so quiet so far.


The way I look at this particular case, I think it is a tricky one.

This is tricky, because this is not a fight.

EVs, 5G, one side already won, and will continue winning for at least 5 to 10 years minimum.

China can concede this tariff fight to the Americans, and still be the winner, while America is the loser. If we are talking about EVs and 5G.

So what is appropriate, and proportional here?

I still think better to wait, and act later, to screw them up real good.

A knee jerk tit-for-tat does not do it for me this time.

The whole field wide open for China to launch something to counter whatever the West thinks it is doing.

:)
 

mst

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The way I look at this particular case, I think it is a tricky one.

This is tricky, because this is not a fight.

EVs, 5G, one side already won, and will continue winning for at least 5 to 10 years minimum.

China can concede this tariff fight to the Americans, and still be the winner, while America is the loser. If we are talking about EVs and 5G.

So what appropriate, and proportional here?

I still think better to wait, and act later, to screw them up real good.

A knee jerk tit-for-tat does not do it for me this time.

The whole field wide open for China to launch something to counter whatever the West thinks it is doing.

:)
Well, what can China do if EU follows thru with the same tariff on China as US? Doing nothing? That will invite more sanction and tariff on China.
 
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