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Sardaukar20 said:
Blow out panels worked. But there is also smoke coming out from the turret hatches. Meaning that the fire got into the crew compartment. That's usually not good for the tank's recovery prospects. It is likely that the Abrams did it's job, keeping the crew alive. But the tank may be too far burnt to be worth recovering. Too many things have been burnt. Same thing happened to several Leopard 2s, and those tanks were not recoverable.

However, the turret hatches were opened, but the driver's hatch wasn't. Not sure why. The Abrams driver's hatch slides sideways, allowing it to be opened even when the main gun is above it. Driver could have escaped via the turret hatches along with the rest of the crew though. The Abrams does allow the driver to access the turret compartment. But that is still strange, considering the NATO training they have received. Either the crew all got out in unorthodox fashion. Or the driver is KIA. But there are no obvious penetrations around the driver's compartment. If the driver is killed by a blow to the turret, then it doesn't look too good for the turret crews either.
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I assume you're referring to the Twitter pic linked in Post #88,926, and I have no quarrel with your assessment. My comments were confined to the Twitter video linked in Post #88,893 and TK3600's reaction to it (Post #88,897). My limited point was that based solely on the video -- and assuming the filmed vehicle is indeed an Abrams -- one cannot conclude the blow-out panels didn't work. On the contrary, a flame funnel billowing out the rear roof of an Abrams turret is precisely what one would see if the blow-out panels *did* work.
 
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Some people seem to think such a tank can still be easily recovered and is just a "mission kill". The thing is if you detonate the ammo rack in the M1 the vehicle will have to go back to the factory to see if anything can be recovered from it, at the very least you will have to take the turret of the tank out and likely replace it with a new one. This isn't something you do in the field.
The ammo rack is also awfully exposed to FPV or Lancet drone attacks.
 
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gelgoog said:
Some people seem to think such a tank can still be easily recovered and is just a "mission kill". The thing is if you detonate the ammo rack in the M1 the vehicle will have to go back to the factory to see if anything can be recovered from it, at the very least you will have to take the turret of the tank out and likely replace it with a new one. This isn't something you do in the field.
The ammo rack is also awfully exposed to FPV or Lancet drone attacks.
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But also, how on earth can Ukraine even think of repair such a tank in the first place when they lack the tools, capability and factory to do so (if the Russians haven’t already blown it up). At least for Russia, they have the tools and expertise and more importantly is close enough to Russia to ship it off for repairs, what does Ukraine have right now
 
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The crazy thing about the western hate on China, is that there is no legitimate grievance for the west to have against China ie China never colonised the west, never enslaved them, never forced opium on them, and to date, have yet to use gunboat diplomacy, Admiral Perry style.

Even when China was not a threat during the 19th century, you had authors like jack London dreaming of genocide against Chinese, and Heineken wishing the same. Therefore, the discrimination and attacks against Chinese and asians in the west have prompted me to call for the confiscation of the territories of the Five Eyes as a response to a culture that is earnest in their attempts at becoming the Xiongnu of the 21st century.

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From the regimes own mouthpiece, explains why they try so far to bury the story under jokes on twitter, to neutralise the gravity of this act.
 
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Several years ago, there was a Jewish gang / terrorist group operating in Italy and central Europe that went on a mass killing spree. The name slips my mind atm (maybe a European here will know it). I think close to 60-70 killed in a week and maybe some kidnappings. I was in Italy at the time and it was all over the news in Europe but US outright refused to report it. Rupert Murdoch and some other guys later stated that they agreed to refuse the reporting because it would ostracize the American Jewish population. It was a rare case (or maybe the only case?) of a major international event that US MSM totally, completely censored.
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Tried googling this but came up with no results. Hopefully someone here knows what you're talking about. I am very curious about it.
 
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gelgoog said:
Some people seem to think such a tank can still be easily recovered and is just a "mission kill". The thing is if you detonate the ammo rack in the M1 the vehicle will have to go back to the factory to see if anything can be recovered from it, at the very least you will have to take the turret of the tank out and likely replace it with a new one. This isn't something you do in the field.
The ammo rack is also awfully exposed to FPV or Lancet drone attacks.
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"Some people seem to think such a tank can still be easily recovered and is just a 'mission kill'."

If you're referring to me -- and I think you are -- I wrote that if an Abrams's blow-out panels work properly, the damage will be *relatively* easy to repair. (Also assuming the interior bustle door is closed when the ammo combusts.) I didn't mean it'll simply buff out. But the tank will certainly be easier to repair than one whose entire fighting compartment has been exposed to an ammo cook-off, let alone one that's thrown its turret.
 
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gelgoog said:
Some people seem to think such a tank can still be easily recovered and is just a "mission kill". The thing is if you detonate the ammo rack in the M1 the vehicle will have to go back to the factory to see if anything can be recovered from it, at the very least you will have to take the turret of the tank out and likely replace it with a new one. This isn't something you do in the field.
The ammo rack is also awfully exposed to FPV or Lancet drone attacks.
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It was easy to fix until they followed up with an ATGM and set the turret on fire… I don’t think that FPV alone would’ve caused a cookoff.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
It was easy to fix until they followed up with an ATGM and set the turret on fire… I don’t think that FPV alone would’ve caused a cookoff.
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The Lancet has a warhead of roughly the same size as an ATGM. An FPV drone is more like an RPG-7. But even an RPG-7 at close quarters in a poorly protected area like the turret bustle will be enough to penetrate it and ignite all the ammunition in it.
 
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_killuminati_ said:
Several years ago, there was a Jewish gang / terrorist group operating in Italy and central Europe that went on a mass killing spree. The name slips my mind atm (maybe a European here will know it). I think close to 60-70 killed in a week and maybe some kidnappings. I was in Italy at the time and it was all over the news in Europe but US outright refused to report it. Rupert Murdoch and some other guys later stated that they agreed to refuse the reporting because it would ostracize the American Jewish population. It was a rare case (or maybe the only case?) of a major international event that US MSM totally, completely censored.
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I think you are referring to Irgun or to the Stern Gang that carried out many terrorist attacks in Europe through 1930s and 1940s.
 
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