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Chevalier

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The US trying to psychologically convince themselves they aren't the worst example of themselves. If true, what does this "truth" reveal? They hoping the Chinese revolt against their government? Americans can brag about how much money they make but everything they have cost more to buy and do. That's why they don't like Power Purchasing Parity. They don't have more money like they want to believe. The way they think is like Banana Republicans with ten million peso notes. This story is really for Americans so they don't revolt and change their government. Look at how much they have to work and get little out of it. Look at how much money China invest in a world-class infrastructure on their cities and yet still have a military that makes the worry. They ain't doing that and they ain't certainly doing both. Look at how the West is worried about China using its money for influence around the world... and have a military that makes them worry. They should be able to do everything better than China and yet they're having trouble doing both.
what you’ve just described is the role that China plays in destroying the myth of white western supremacy, and it does so simply by existing,
New TikTok Challenge: how to say, ‘you Asians all look the same to me!’ Without saying ‘you Asians all look the same to me!’
Hence the reason why in the event of war, I’m calling for the annexation in perpetuity of all territories of the five eyes save the native island of Britain which will be military occupied by the PLA and the Russian defence force.

Looked at another way, native Americans and ancient Chinese share a common ancestor, therefore there is a blood debt to be paid for the genocide of our Native American cousins, and the continent of North America is a part of HuaXia.
 

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So my guess is that Chinese military spending is actually around 1.7% of GDP, which is only half the US level
Am I incorrect for saying that if you account for inflation, cost of goods/services and labor, etc., then the Chinese military s̶p̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ funding in real numbers is higher than the US'? i.e. $2 in China can buy more than $5 in US.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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Am I incorrect for saying that if you account for inflation, cost of goods/services and labor, etc., then the Chinese military s̶p̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ funding in real numbers is higher than the US'? i.e. $2 in China can buy more than $5 in US.
Kind of, or well when priced in dollars it becomes like that.

Say for personel, a 1st year soldier might get 1000 yuan a month in China and 1000 dollars in US. If we have exchange rate be 7 Yuan for 1 USD, you can quickly see that China can have 7 soldiers for each 1 US has (this is just example, while I don't have the actual number, it is 100% something like 1 US soldier pay is equivalent to multiple, quite likely 5+ pay of PLA solder).

And this kind of applies all over the PLA (the range varies, for aircrafts it might be around ~1x with 5th gen, but say 2x for 4th gen, but in other areas, we're talking about PLA being able to get say 5x, 10x or even 20x when compared to US military. Such as personel being around 5x, ammunition being 10x and some missiles being 20x).
 

pmc

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Kind of, or well when priced in dollars it becomes like that.

Say for personel, a 1st year soldier might get 1000 yuan a month in China and 1000 dollars in US. If we have exchange rate be 7 Yuan for 1 USD, you can quickly see that China can have 7 soldiers for each 1 US has (this is just example, while I don't have the actual number, it is 100% something like 1 US soldier pay is equivalent to multiple, quite likely 5+ pay of PLA solder).

And this kind of applies all over the PLA (the range varies, for aircrafts it might be around ~1x with 5th gen, but say 2x for 4th gen, but in other areas, we're talking about PLA being able to get say 5x, 10x or even 20x when compared to US military. Such as personel being around 5x, ammunition being 10x and some missiles being 20x).
US defence budgets have benefited its Civilian research. look at Darpa and US Pentagon is one of the arm of US Soft Power. why do you think all those Royal families predominantly use Boeing both Civilian and Rotary. They have alot more stuff inside it. Generally overseas deployments will get much higher compensation to soldiers and Pilots.

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In fact, the relationship of Bell Labs to the Pentagon, especially its National Security Agency, remained close throughout the period studied in this book.
 

AndrewS

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Am I incorrect for saying that if you account for inflation, cost of goods/services and labor, etc., then the Chinese military s̶p̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ funding in real numbers is higher than the US'? i.e. $2 in China can buy more than $5 in US.

The Pentagon estimate China is "spending" the equivalent of the US spending $700Bn.
That is what is being reported to the US Senate
But Chinese military spending of $700 Bn is still less than the $800-900 Bn that the US spends.

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However, we don't know exactly how the Pentagon came up with this figure for China.

But as per acquisitiontalk, Military PPP is more closely correlated to Industrial PPP than Consumer PPP.
And for both the US and China, the Consumer PPP rate understates Industrial PPP.

So in summary, a PPP conversion using consumer rates (which are widely used and reported) understates how much the Chinese military gets for its money.

An example would be the consumer PPP suggesting $2 in China buys the equivalent of $4 in the US.
But the industrial/military PPP might be $5? equivalent in the US.
 

Maikeru

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The Pentagon estimate China is "spending" the equivalent of the US spending $700Bn.
That is what is being reported to the US Senate
But Chinese military spending of $700 Bn is still less than the $800-900 Bn that the US spends.

---

However, we don't know exactly how the Pentagon came up with this figure for China.

But as per acquisitiontalk, Military PPP is more closely correlated to Industrial PPP than Consumer PPP.
And for both the US and China, the Consumer PPP rate understates Industrial PPP.

So in summary, a PPP conversion using consumer rates (which are widely used and reported) understates how much the Chinese military gets for its money.

An example would be the consumer PPP suggesting $2 in China buys the equivalent of $4 in the US.
But the industrial/military PPP might be $5? equivalent in the US.
For military it's a combination of both, always use consumer PPP for personnel costs but for equipment it depends on the country. For a country that imports all its weapons from the West (e.g. Saudi) then use nominal for equipment. For a country like China then use PPPi for equipment. For India it would be a blend. Of course this omits R&D and military construction. Operations cost is I suspect mainly fuel so use nominal.
 
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