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Brigadier
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How true is this article? Anyone following Chinese internet? Does this kind of people really exist who want to takeover rocky mountains? I find it hard to believe.

I actually see the opposite in places like Chinese language reddit where there are many reverse anti-China nationalists who want to breakup China into pieces.
Look at these Han Chinese nationalists marching in 夏洛茨维尔, a traditional center of Han Chinese culture:

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pmc

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Ukraine does not need all of its territory, NYT says.

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This what former Israeli PM predicted who saved Zelenski and direct conflict to non Jewish part. Zelenski will get visual victories to make him effective for Europe. so i guess Putin trust worthy when deals with Mideast but not when dealing with Europe
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“Things are looking bad on the ground right now, but it’s important to understand that if world leaders don’t act quickly, it can get much worse,” he said at Tel Aviv’s CyberTech conference. “I’m talking about untold loss of life, total destruction of Ukraine. Millions of refugees. And it’s not too late.” It’s the responsibility of the major players in the world to get the two sides out of the battlefield and on to the negotiation table,” he added.

When you see such image of former Israeli PM meeting with Arab leader than before that alot of work is done in background in arabic. like he is practicing Jew, he worked on Ukraine peace even though he not supposed to work on off days. This the civilized part.

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tamsen_ikard

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Ukraine does not need all of its territory, NYT says.

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It probably makes sense for Russia to stop the fighting now with a ceasefire deal, rebuild for a couple of years and then start again to gain an even bigger chunk of Ukraine. For Ukraine and the west also, it might make sense to stop now, rebuild and try again to defeat Russia with a much bigger or more powerful force in the future.

But its not certain who will prevail in the next round. Will Russia succeed in its rebuilding efforts and completely crush Ukraine the next round. Or will Ukraine and the west succeed and Utterly defeat Russia.

Because of this uncertainty, they will probably just keep fighting until both parties are fully exhausted, and stopping becomes more lucrative than the uncertainty of round 2.

One thing is for sure, Russia will not stop trying to reunite all the east slavic lands and try to recapture as much of former Soviet Union as possible. They will keep trying, or collapse in the process.
 

TK3600

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It probably makes sense for Russia to stop the fighting now with a ceasefire deal, rebuild for a couple of years and then start again to gain an even bigger chunk of Ukraine. For Ukraine and the west also, it might make sense to stop now, rebuild and try again to defeat Russia with a much bigger or more powerful force in the future.

But its not certain who will prevail in the next round. Will Russia succeed in its rebuilding efforts and completely crush Ukraine the next round. Or will Ukraine and the west succeed and Utterly defeat Russia.

Because of this uncertainty, they will probably just keep fighting until both parties are fully exhausted, and stopping becomes more lucrative than the uncertainty of round 2.

One thing is for sure, Russia will not stop trying to reunite all the east slavic lands and try to recapture as much of former Soviet Union as possible. They will keep trying, or collapse in the process.
Ceasefire is pointless for Russia. The boat has sailed long ago. Ceasefire made most sense early on when Russia did not suffer huge cost, or year 1 when Russia had insufficient manpower. Now all the problems are fixed.

What is going to happen is Russia paid all the cost of grinding down Ukraine, it may as well press down all the way now situation favor them. They can stop when strategic objective is achieved, or somehow once again stalled.
 

FriedButter

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It probably makes sense for Russia to stop the fighting now with a ceasefire deal, rebuild for a couple of years and then start again to gain an even bigger chunk of Ukraine. For Ukraine and the west also, it might make sense to stop now, rebuild and try again to defeat Russia with a much bigger or more powerful force in the future.

Why would it make sense for Russia? They have the upper hand and have massively ramped up their military industrial production. Meanwhile, Ukraine is facing increasing manpower, munitions, weapons, and financial problems. The opportunity to negotiate a ceasefire was last year and that is gone. The Russian government and officials have already said any ceasefire negotiations is unacceptable over the last couple months.
 

FriedButter

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Just take a look at what Ukraine said not even 24 hours ago.

Salaries and pensions may be delayed in Ukraine without Western aid: Cabinet of Ministers sets deadline​

Ukraine may face delays in the payment of salaries and pensions for almost 12 million people if the West does not provide financial assistance in early 2024.

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Not even the super pro-Ukraine r/worldnews is taking this well. While we already knew this for a very long time. These guys did not and they are not taking this kindly when healthcare and pensions are being denied to them.

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tamsen_ikard

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Why would it make sense for Russia? They have the upper hand and have massively ramped up their military industrial production. Meanwhile, Ukraine is facing increasing manpower, munitions, weapons, and financial problems. The opportunity to negotiate a ceasefire was last year and that is gone. The Russian government and officials have already said any ceasefire negotiations is unacceptable over the last couple months.

It might make sense to stop now because although Russia has stopped losing to Ukraine, its still too weak to conquer more Ukrainian lands via big offensives. Russia lacks Air Superiority over Ukraine and thus has been unable to bomb Ukraine to submission. Their only option then is to take land slowly backed by artillery. Ukraine can also slow down russian advance using mines, drones and other defensive tactics.

The way current technological makeup works, Russia needs to mobilize several million soldiers to fully takeover Ukraine and may have to take millions of casualties to achieve it. War could get more and more unpopular in Russia as more soldiers die in a grinding war of attrition. So, there are risks for Putin to keep fighting. This is what I mean by exhaustion. The Russian public could get exhausted by war and they might revolt, foment a coup or do something else.

War exhaustion is real and even the most authoritarian governments may not stop it. Even the most nationalistic public can get tired of War and choose to topple their government even if it means humiliation.

This is what happened to both Germany and Russia in WW1. Both extremely nationalistic governments.

But again, as I said before, stopping rebuilding also have risks, since round 2 will be determined by who will rebuild better and faster. Russia or Ukraine backed by the West.

So, although continuing to fight is the current approach, but Putin is probably still looking to take a break if conditions are right as well. Both options have risks and rewards.
 
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