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DavidChou

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German and US pushing Zelensky to negotiate peace deal with Moscow​


Plan to scale back weapons deliveries would hobble Ukrainian attempts to retake more occupied territory
REALLY REALLY HOPE THEY KEEP FIGHTING for China's sake...! Would be nice to get at least another two years of Westoids and Russians bleeding each other out (both wanna chop up China) so that even more opportunities can open up for relatively peaceful Chinese development to continue!!
 

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Top AI researcher launches new Alberta lab with Huawei funds after Ottawa restrictions​


November 25, 2023

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This containment of China strategy or theory, proposed and allegedly acted upon by some sources of power in the West, is a real mystery to me.

To me, it does not exist, this containment of China by the Americans and their allies. If you believe they are containing China, then I think you are deeply confused person.

The above story, is just another data point, or whatever we want to call it.

Does this story signify containment?

Possibly.

Containment? Or is another word more appropriate, like impotence.

E. D. is no joke.

Sigh.

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supersnoop

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Is there any source from either sides to back this story? If the British did make that "offer" in the 1970s, what were they fighting for initially (refusing to return) in the 1980s?

The story I have heard was that some PRC leaders wanted to recover Hong Kong before 1997 using force if necessary. The idea was on the table in 1949 already which was put aside by Mao due to the value of Hong Kong being the only channel for PRC to gain access to the west (finance and tech). My guess is that the idea maybe brought up in late 1960s and early 1970s after the British killed many pro-PRC protesters in 1967's Hong Kong turmoil but then was put aside again for the same reason as in 1949. The proposed forceful means included but not limited to cut off power and water supply to Hong Kong. I heard this measure from my history teach in school.

The British has never ever "offered" anything.

You are correct that any desire to retake HK was put down by the leadership, primarily Premier Zhou. When food shipments to HK were being held up by local officials, he personally intervened.

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Again, the riots died down when Zhou made broadcasts criticizing the actions of the rioters (with Mao’s approval), so there was no serious consideration from the top level to take HK.

Lee Kuan Yew, "The Singapore Story," Volume One.

Ever heard of a poison pill??

Same reason why Vercingetorix tried to "give away" the Gauls' women and children to Caesar's army.

LKY was wrong then. The declassified documentation shows that UK was considering granting independence to HK in the 50’s more than anything. They were reeling from the loss of India and the European colonial empires were collapsing in Asia and around the world (French Indochina, British Malaya, Dutch Indochina, etc.). However this was the time Zhou Enlai issued his warning.

60’s was a transitional period. At this time HK was still poor. Droughts in the early part of the decade forced HK created a great water shortage. Premier Zhou pushed to build the water supply from SZ to HK (
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). Don’t forget that PRC was very poor at this time and did this at great cost for the country.

So there was no poison pill because it was actually PRC that ensured the successful development of HK, not just UK’s policy. So actually the complete opposite of Vercingetorix.

HK’s status had benefits for both sides, simple as that. China’s goodwill assured the colonial administration that they could reap the full economic rewards from development until 1997.
 

DavidChou

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LKY was wrong then.
Wrong about what -- you sound like you're actually in agreement with him....
The declassified documentation shows that UK was considering granting independence to HK in the 50’s more than anything.
That would rather support LKY's statements if anything....
However this was the time Zhou Enlai issued his warning.

60’s was a transitional period. At this time HK was still poor. Droughts in the early part of the decade forced HK created a great water shortage. Premier Zhou pushed to build the water supply from SZ to HK (
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). Don’t forget that PRC was very poor at this time and did this at great cost for the country.
And therefore that all proves what, exactly?
So there was no poison pill because it was actually PRC that ensured the successful development of HK, not just UK’s policy. So actually the complete opposite of Vercingetorix.
There seems to be a great misunderstanding...Vercongetorix in this analogy is the U.K., not China.
HK’s status had benefits for both sides, simple as that.
Um, that's basically what LKY said, that Mao refused taking back HK because it was advantageous to have Brit-Bongs doing the work of further development.
China’s goodwill assured the colonial administration that they could reap the full economic rewards from development until 1997.
What "goodwill"...it's a political calculation like everything else....
 

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Top AI researcher launches new Alberta lab with Huawei funds after Ottawa restrictions​


November 25, 2023

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Great news. Something else interesting caught my eyes in that article.
Born in the United States, Prof. Sutton completed a PhD at the University of Massachusetts in 1984 and worked in industry before returning to academia. He joined the University of Alberta in 2003, where he founded the Reinforcement Learning and Artificial Intelligence Lab. He left the U.S. for Canada partly because of his opposition to the politics of former president George W. Bush and the country’s military campaigns abroad.

Interestingly Geoffrey Hinton also left the US due to his anti-war stance, especially against the Vietnam war.
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In the 1980s, Dr. Hinton was a professor of computer science at Carnegie Mellon University, but left the university for Canada because he said he was reluctant to take Pentagon funding. At the time, most A.I. research in the United States was funded by the Defense Department. Dr. Hinton is deeply opposed to the use of artificial intelligence on the battlefield — what he calls “robot soldiers.”

Perhaps China's peaceful rise can attract more researchers due to ideological reasons. I know for example there are many researchers in Japan who refuse to take research projects associated with the defence industry.


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Javier Milei would allow Argentina to join the BRICS but as a less active member​

learned As TN from different sources of La Libertad Avanza (LLA), at this time the idea of the
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, headed by the possible future chancellor Diana Mondino, is seriously analyzing the possibility of maintaining the inclusion of the BRICS , although with a participation very low intensity.

The group of developing economies made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa formally invited Argentina – along with Iran, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Ethiopia – to join as of January 1, 2024. If no change occurs, the accession would begin to become effective on that date .

The libertarian analysis of joining the BRICS​

Part of the decision that, in principle, Javier Milei's team would be making responds to what experts in the field advise both him and Mondino: “Argentina is not in a position to reject spaces of belonging , in the most places we can be, the better.”
This idea is what is repeated in a large part of the diplomatic and academic offices that are frequently consulted by Milei's international team. They consider that the BRICS represents “an opportunity rather than a risk” for Argentina , as assured TN . various representatives who follow the issue closely
Why an opportunity? Just as in the G20, the BRICS are not carried out only during the leaders' summit that occurs once a year, but rather has prior coordination work between different sectors of each of the member countries that allows for a link almost exclusively with officials and representatives of those nations.

“Think about how many countries in the world would like to have the possibility of, over the course of a year, having about 100 meetings with different Chinese government officials , for example. Many would like to be sitting at that table and they can't," says a diplomat for this article who is far from identifying with the Peronist wing of the Foreign Ministry.
Nothing is written in stone, but the position that prevails and receives the most internal consensus is to enter and adopt a moderate position that allows Argentina to occupy a place in an influential group, but without exposing itself to uncomfortable photos with “unusual partners.” desired” such as Iran.
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Great news. Something else interesting caught my eyes in that article.


Interestingly Geoffrey Hinton also left the US due to his anti-war stance, especially against the Vietnam war.
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Perhaps China's peaceful rise can attract more researchers due to ideological reasons. I know for example there are many researchers in Japan who refuse to take research projects associated with the defence industry.


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Javier Milei would allow Argentina to join the BRICS but as a less active member​






My newly learnt spanish: Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja
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There needs to be a version of that meme with Zelensky in heaven except its US officials and the ones betraying are right wing Latin American dictators
 

eprash

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Great news. Something else interesting caught my eyes in that article.


Interestingly Geoffrey Hinton also left the US due to his anti-war stance, especially against the Vietnam war.
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Perhaps China's peaceful rise can attract more researchers due to ideological reasons. I know for example there are many researchers in Japan who refuse to take research projects associated with the defence industry.


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Javier Milei would allow Argentina to join the BRICS but as a less active member​






My newly learnt spanish: Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja
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Why would BRICS want a semi failed State with no future in their club? Don't they realise Argentina is more or less a reality show these days
 
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