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Another attempt to justify and legitimate Americans' failure to prevent gun violence and mass shootings by linking a few instance of mass killings in China.

It's simply pathetic to compare the US and China when mass shootings in the US are happening in the daily basis but these senseless crime is rare in China.

Even EU nations don't have that many senseless mass shootings or killings. It is a unique Americans problem that all other first world nations don't have.

It is just so sick to see how you normalize a complete failure of the American government to protect its citizens because they are so corrupt and being so political about anything.
A "few instances." Mass casualty instances involving car rammings, stabbings, or arson attacks have been happening in China for a decade now. I guess if it makes you feel any better, sure even if we were to only count non-gang related and domestic violence related incidents and even with 3 times smaller the population, then yeah we can say mass casualty don't happen as much in China as America.

But guess what? It still happens with enough frequency to be a massive cause for concern. America and China are some of the only places in the world where such incidents happen with yearly frequency and in the context of Asia, China is unique in this phenomanon. Not even high pressure South Korea, Thailand with a similar development level, or poorer countries like Philippines and Cambodia has such a phenomanon. (Although if you can prove me wrong here go ahead)

I get you've had your disagreements with me in the past, but this is a real issue in China. So instead of talking about how I'm "trying to normalize mass killings in America" or insulting China, why don't you contribute to figuring out how the government and society can improve to prevent such incidents from even happening?
 

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This is i think third gathering of Arabs in Russia this year. I will not write on religious aspect. but question always arise why will they do something against current system that has provided them so much comfort and wealth and they naturally spend there summers in Europa and they enjoy European sports. All that Europe luxury cottage industry like watches, perfume and leather has Arab behind it. Unless they see some thing in European demographics and environment that think this way of life not sustainable.
There are still some older German vehicles but they are increasingly using the Aurus. I would think Russia will want to invest in Luxury cottage industry considering the history but the system is geared towards high tech firms now where people prefer machines. it will be difficult to find replacement for European brands.

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A "few instances." Mass casualty instances involving car rammings, stabbings, or arson attacks have been happening in China for a decade now. I guess if it makes you feel any better, sure even if we were to only count non-gang related and domestic violence related incidents and even with 3 times smaller the population, then yeah we can say mass casualty don't happen as much in China as America.

But guess what? It still happens with enough frequency to be a massive cause for concern. America and China are some of the only places in the world where such incidents happen with yearly frequency and in the context of Asia, China is unique in this phenomanon. Not even high pressure South Korea, Thailand with a similar development level, or poorer countries like Philippines and Cambodia has such a phenomanon. (Although if you can prove me wrong here go ahead)

I get you've had your disagreements with me in the past, but this is a real issue in China. So instead of talking about how I'm "trying to normalize mass killings in America" or insulting China, why don't you contribute to figuring out how the government and society can improve to prevent such incidents from even happening?
Why don't you back up your rhetoric with actual stats so we can all look it up rather than to simply rely on your words which is just for now an opinion and not facts.

As for the Philippines, WTH do you know about that country? Are you from there? Have you lived in that country? And where did you even stay if you were actually living in that country? I have lived in that country; I lived in the province in Mindanao, then Cebu, then Manila so I think I can speak with some degree of confidence that what you said about the Philippines is beyond ignorant of the kind of crimes that happened and can happen in that country. Much of the crime goes underreported, and not reported at all especially when the cops are compromised in terms of their close relationship with a family that's either well-off, well-connected in business and politics. The kind of crimes that happened there made me amuse as to the level of drama that I thought people in countries like Canada made such a big fuss about.

I don't know if am misreading what you're trying to suggest but how I interpreted your post suggested that crimes in China and U.S. are about the same level? Is this correct? I know many people from the mainland and none of them has ever told me that the crimes in China is of the same magnitude or could even come close to the level with the U.S.

I don't quite understand your stance, you seem to insist on the one hand that China's economy is in worse shape based on the report of the high unemployment rate for YOUTH and now you're trying to infer that the level of crimes like mass killings are just as bad in China as it is in the U.S. Are you for real?
 

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Russian Federation Council Speaker's China visit demonstrates continuity, stability of China-Russia relations
At the invitation of Zhao Leji, chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China, Russian Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matviyenko and her delegation were scheduled to visit China from Sunday to Wednesday and attend the eighth meeting of the China-Russia committee for parliamentary cooperation, according to Xinhua.
Experts said that exchanges of the China-Russia committee for parliamentary cooperation are part of the inter-parliamentary cooperation mechanism between the two countries, demonstrating the continuity and stability of China-Russia relations, which will not be disturbed by some special events.
While some Western media outlets are over-interpreting the importance of the meeting, this visit is anticipated to focus on legislative matters and issues concerning the experience of both sides in social and national governance, Zhang Hong, an associate research fellow at the Institute of Russian, Eastern European and Central Asian Studies of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Sunday.
During the seventh meeting held on November 23, 2021, Li Zhanshu, then chairman of the NPC Standing Committee, pointed out that China and Russia need to continue focusing on maintaining the political security of the two countries and demonstrate mutual support on issues involving one another's core interests through targeted legislation.
He also urged the provision of more complete legal support for the promotion of synergy between the Belt and Road Initiative and the Eurasian Economic Union, and called for closer coordination within multilateral frameworks.
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President calls for stronger Sino-Russian cooperation​

BEIJING - Chinese President Xi Jinping on Monday met with visiting Russian Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matviyenko in Beijing.

Noting that legislative cooperation is an important part of Sino-Russian relations, Xi expressed hope that the two sides will work together to implement the consensus reached between him and Russian President Vladimir Putin, and promote the sustained and healthy development of cooperation in various fields.
Both countries should strengthen exchanges of legislative and governance experiences, and elevate legislative cooperation to a new level, he said.

The president also underlined the need for the two countries to enhance communication and coordination within multilateral mechanisms, such as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and BRICS, guide the reform of global governance in the right direction, and jointly safeguard the common interests of emerging markets and developing countries.
Matviyenko said the Russia-China comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination is in line with the interests and aspirations of both countries and has reached the highest level in history.

The Russian legislature widely supports deepening Russian-Chinese cooperation, and is willing to further strengthen exchanges and dialogue with the National People's Congress, China's top legislature, providing legal safeguards for the implementation of the consensus reached by the two heads of state, she said.
Lots of messages passed between China and Russia lately. Putin probably wanted to discuss the end of the SMO in Ukraine, assure China Russia is politically stable, while China wanted to discuss with Russia about "challenges" in SCO and BRICS.
 
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Why don't you back up your rhetoric with actual stats so we can all look it up rather than to simply rely on your words which is just for now an opinion and not facts.

As for the Philippines, WTH do you know about that country? Are you from there? Have you lived in that country? And where did you even stay if you were actually living in that country? I have lived in that country; I lived in the province in Mindanao, then Cebu, then Manila so I think I can speak with some degree of confidence that what you said about the Philippines is beyond ignorant of the kind of crimes that happened and can happen in that country. Much of the crime goes underreported, and not reported at all especially when the cops are compromised in terms of their close relationship with a family that's either well-off, well-connected in business and politics. The kind of crimes that happened there made me amuse as to the level of drama that I thought people in countries like Canada made such a big fuss about.

I don't know if am misreading what you're trying to suggest but how I interpreted your post suggested that crimes in China and U.S. are about the same level? Is this correct? I know many people from the mainland and none of them has ever told me that the crimes in China is of the same magnitude or could even come close to the level with the U.S.

I don't quite understand your stance, you seem to insist on the one hand that China's economy is in worse shape based on the report of the high unemployment rate for YOUTH and now you're trying to infer that the level of crimes like mass killings are just as bad in China as it is in the U.S. Are you for real?
Ah here we go again. Well a cursory search online doesn't yield Chinese government statistics on knife attacks and other attacks causing mass casualty, so here's a wikipedia article on school stabbings in China, which doesn't take into account other attacks from lonewolf mentally ill people who prefer to use their car or arson in public spaces.

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Thank you for your story on crime in the Philippines. Only, just to point out it kind of counts as an anecdote, which you have criticized me in the past for. But I don't want to elaborate further since the next paragraph will address this.

And finally, eventhough I've been guilty of this in the past, I just want to say you're getting a little hopped up and accusing me of saying things I didn't even say. Above all, nowhere did I ever make this a discussion about crime rates. For one crime rate encompass all matters of violence beyond mass killings, such as gang violence, assault, robberies, and theft, and a cursory read of my previous two posts can show I did not mention it at all. And if it makes you feel better, I did say in a previous post that the spate of mass casualty incidents in America is more than China.

Since you just went on an unrelated tangent, I think that's about as much discussion is needed. Somehow I feel that as long as I didn't mention the US, people would've actually discussed the topic at hand, rather than just wildly accusing me of slandering China. And just as a reminder, the topic at hand are mass casualty incidents in China caused by lonewolf mentally ill people.
 

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Han and Tang both had their moments with native armies, especially the Han during the reign of Wu Di, but for the vast majority of their military history, it was "using barbarians to fight barbarians." China's military performance was historically pretty solid, but much of it was achieved via foreign vassals, not native armies. The Tang in particular was famous for its "barbarian" generals who ended up rebelling and destroying the empire.
What?

In a world that only respect force, who is going to follow the order of a weak overlord? Those vassals were willing to serve Han and Tang only because Han and Tang were capable of crashing any one of them or already crashed them. Han and Tang used those vassals because Han and Tang could not crash all of them at once at the same time.

Just look at how US and USSR got their domination, both achived it by doing the heavy lifting themselvs. There is no exceptions because the rule of game never change.

The advantage of nomadic military is welknown, but their disadvantage was largely ignored. That created the myth of their invincibility. If one looks at the history carefully, in majority of time, the nomads lose war more than they wan. Their food are livestocks which can not be stored. Their campain must be short. They can not afford major setback, otherwise they loose their livestock, meaning starvation. Out of all the many nomads, only the Mongols managed to achive dominance over settled societies, all other nomads are defeated, yet people only remember the Mongols achievement. That is a selective memory.
 
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Ah here we go again. Well a cursory search online doesn't yield Chinese government statistics on knife attacks and other attacks causing mass casualty, so here's a wikipedia article on school stabbings in China, which doesn't take into account other attacks from lonewolf mentally ill people who prefer to use their car or arson in public spaces.

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Thank you for your story on crime in the Philippines. Only, just to point out it kind of counts as an anecdote, which you have criticized me in the past for. But I don't want to elaborate further since the next paragraph will address this.

And finally, eventhough I've been guilty of this in the past, I just want to say you're getting a little hopped up and accusing me of saying things I didn't even say. Above all, nowhere did I ever make this a discussion about crime rates. For one crime rate encompass all matters of violence beyond mass killings, such as gang violence, assault, robberies, and theft, and a cursory read of my previous two posts can show I did not mention it at all. And if it makes you feel better, I did say in a previous post that the spate of mass casualty incidents in America is more than China.

Since you just went on an unrelated tangent, I think that's about as much discussion is needed. Somehow I feel that as long as I didn't mention the US, people would've actually discussed the topic at hand, rather than just wildly accusing me of slandering China. And just as a reminder, the topic at hand are mass casualty incidents in China caused by lonewolf mentally ill people.
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By your logic, what's wrong with Japan?
 

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A "few instances." Mass casualty instances involving car rammings, stabbings, or arson attacks have been happening in China for a decade now. I guess if it makes you feel any better, sure even if we were to only count non-gang related and domestic violence related incidents and even with 3 times smaller the population, then yeah we can say mass casualty don't happen as much in China as America.

But guess what? It still happens with enough frequency to be a massive cause for concern. America and China are some of the only places in the world where such incidents happen with yearly frequency and in the context of Asia, China is unique in this phenomanon. Not even high pressure South Korea, Thailand with a similar development level, or poorer countries like Philippines and Cambodia has such a phenomanon. (Although if you can prove me wrong here go ahead)

I get you've had your disagreements with me in the past, but this is a real issue in China. So instead of talking about how I'm "trying to normalize mass killings in America" or insulting China, why don't you contribute to figuring out how the government and society can improve to prevent such incidents from even happening?
Your bias against China has clouded your thinking. The total homicide in China in 2020 is 7157. Total homicide in the US in 2020 is 21,570. China has always 4 times population than the US. And you claimed that the domestic violence incidents just don't happen as much in China than the US. The difference is huge. You needed to totally twist the facts in order to make such claim.

As for China is unique in this phenomenon, what are you talking about. Your hatred against China is just showing by making such ridiculous claim and trying to put China and the US in the same category which is absurd.

As for this kinds of incidents are unique in China, that is the most ridiculous things that I have heard sometime which just shows your prejudice against China.

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