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Eventine said:

Who said it wasn’t an act of war? I’m saying it will be war between US vassals & China but that the US itself can choose the level of involvement. If Japan starts shooting at China that doesn’t mean the US is now at war.

Have you been listening? I feel like you have been arguing a straw man from the start.

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It eventually will end up with the US being forced to join in if they don't wish to lose everything. Just cutting off all trade with the US alone will force the US to join the conflict because bleeding China won't bring back trade. Add in that they will almost certainly lose trade with Japan and SK and probably all ASEAN members as well due to the conflict and you got a scenario where they will be forced to act.

I've said this in my previous post but the US will have to act unless they want to lose the entire asia to China. They don't get to choose the level of involvement here.

Austin must be reprimanded for shaking hands with a sanctioned person...

Temstar said:

I mean, both Manchukuo and South Korea are ex-Imperial Japan puppet regime right? Makes sense they see eye to eye.
Also what kind of Manchukuo write their own country's name in hanzi instead of manchu? Aisin-Gioros would be rolling in their tombs.

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TBF the Manchu script was invented because the Jurchens didn't have a writing system of their own and had been using Hanzi and Mongolian script as substitutes. So if anything these "Manchukuo revival" peeps are just reverting to their roots.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

Nah, that won't do. Korean ultranationalism has to be uprooted in its entirety - Just like how Xinjiang and Tibet separatisms are dealt with.

Instead of letting Kim roll over the peninsular, China should annex both Koreas and (re)unite them under the direct administration of Beijing as the 29th Province of the People's Republic of China.

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China could adopt a federal model based on the Russian one, where historically Chinese areas but with distinct cultures can be incorporated as autonomous federations.

Similar to the Donetsk People's Republic being a self ruled republic yet also a constituent of the Russian Federation, in the future, when Japanese and American fascism in Asia has been eradicated, the Republic of Ryukyu and Joseon would become constituent republics of a new Chinese Federation.

Eventine said:

Who said it wasn’t an act of war? I’m saying it will be war between US vassals & China but that the US itself can choose the level of involvement. If Japan starts shooting at China that doesn’t mean the US is now at war.

I feel like you have been arguing a straw man from the start. The idea is that the US wants to have its vassals form a security alliance that can fight China in a limited war without direct US involvement, which will drain Chinese resources without risking US assets (beyond those it chooses to sell or gift). The parallel to Ukraine is that the US is bleeding both sides (Europe & Russia), while it takes virtually no damage and gets to channel public funds into its weapons industry.

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If the PRC makes a military move on Taiwan, no US vassal is just going to jump in with US support at its rear. 1. They don't care about Taiwan; only the US does because it wants it as a pawn and 2. That's a suicidal action for something they don't even care about. Everybody, Japan, Korea, Australia, India, is going to be looking at how the US is reacting. If the US goes all in with its commitment, and it looks like a successful effort against China, then they will go in and support the US because they want credit as being in a winning partnership. If the US does poorly against China and starts suffering large casualties, then those countries are gonna be the ones taking a back seat and at most offering the US some support. If the US itself sits back, then there is not one country in Asia stupid enough to start their own attack on the PLA. It's like volunteering to be the disposable lab rat for an experiment that is expected to be deadly. Even Ukraine isn't this stupid; it's fighting because it was invaded by Russia. It wasn't summoned to attack Russia first.

Strangelove said:

Austin must be reprimanded for shaking hands with a sanctioned person...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664619096351330304

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The general does not have any legal sanctions on him. Not a single court with authority has ruled it.

Aniah said:

It eventually will end up with the US being forced to join in if they don't wish to lose everything. Just cutting off all trade with the US alone will force the US to join the conflict because bleeding China won't bring back trade. Add in that they will almost certainly lose trade with Japan and SK and probably all ASEAN members as well due to the conflict and you got a scenario where they will be forced to act.

I've said this in my previous post but the US will have to act unless they want to lose the entire asia to China. They don't get to choose the level of involvement here.

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If I were an US military planner and I believed that some level of war with China is inevitable and necessary to contain it, then I’d certainly not want to tank the brunt of it, because this is a near peer power and not Iraq. Similar to Russia I’d want someone else to take the brunt of Chinese attacks.

Especially since the Bush wars, the US has been moving towards a policy of getting others to do its dirty work. The new security alliance it’s trying to build in Asia is just the newest example of it.

The US may still be forced to participate directly if its vassals are getting wrecked and the war escalates, but by then China would be weakened and the US would have better intelligence on Chinese capabilities. Better tactical military results may be possible if the US fought from the front from the start, but the costs would be high and the US would not be in control of escalation.

Burns has been anti-China from the start and Biden sent him to improve communications between the US and China...? I guess they kept this meeting secret because the Western media would be blaring how the US sent him to confront China and about improving relations. Maybe China should've arrested him since the US admits they had spies in China for them to be "executed" that the US complained about. Look at how how angry the US is over how dare China has "policeman" working in the US.

Eventine said:

If I were an US military planner and I believed that some level of war with China is inevitable and necessary to contain it, then I’d certainly not want to tank the brunt of it, because this is a near peer power and not Iraq. Similar to Russia I’d want someone else to take the brunt of Chinese attacks.

The US may still be forced to participate directly if its vassals are getting wrecked and the war escalates, but by then China would be weakened and the US would have better intelligence on Chinese capabilities.

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That's the thing though, we got more than enough to go around for everyone. Just because we got weaker does not mean they got stronger.

One can also debate on whether or not the US will be facing a weaker China if at all since the China they will be facing after their allies take the brunt of the initial attack will be a China that is in full total war mode. Kinda like a boss fight with a stronger second phase.

Eventine said:

If I were an US military planner and I believed that some level of war with China is inevitable and necessary to contain it, then I’d certainly not want to tank the brunt of it, because this is a near peer power and not Iraq. Similar to Russia I’d want someone else to take the brunt of Chinese attacks.

Especially since the Bush wars, the US has been moving towards a policy of getting others to do its dirty work. The new security alliance it’s trying to build in Asia is just the newest example of it.

The US may still be forced to participate directly if its vassals are getting wrecked and the war escalates, but by then China would be weakened and the US would have better intelligence on Chinese capabilities. Better tactical military results may be possible if the US fought from the front from the start, but the costs would be high and the US would not be in control of escalation.

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This is what you think represents a plausible strategy or this is simply your construction of the best case scenerio for the US, realism be damned? Because it's not realistic at all. Those Asian countries are not stupid; all their kids destroy American kids in the US school system. These aren't the kind of people who do stupid things like start a fight with China for American interests while America rests up. They're not Pokemon you send into a fight. If they see US reluctance to fight, they will know that China is powerful enough to scare the US and they are being sent in as cannon fodder. Their response will be a polite, "After you, you first, I'm making preparations, not ready yet; you start and I will join later," until China has pretty much completed its mission and the point becomes moot.