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GodRektsNoobs

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xypher said:
Putin clearly overestimated the capabilities of Russian military, thinking they are still like Soviets in their prime. People can cope all they want that "ackshually Putin planned to fight many years in Ukraine from the start" but that was clearly not the case in the early days of war where Russia tried to quickly get to Kiev. Only after they retreated from there, did it transform to the current slugfest we're seeing.

There is even a recent interview with Prigozhin who says that Wagner alone lost 20k+ people and branded both the retreat from Kiev & loss of Kherson as failures. He also said that the demilitarization of Ukraine has failed and gave the reverse effect. If everything is going according to the plan, then there is no reason for him to lash out like this at Shoigu and the war itself.
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So the copium needs to get stopped and the situation at hand should be dealt with. The incoming months will be crucial - Russia cannot continue giving up positions like they did in Kherson and needs to stop the whole counter-offensive thing dead in tracks. If they succeed, then I think it might open up the possibility to again gain the momentum back and not only consolidate the current position but also push westward to create more buffer zones.
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In my opinion the Russian military was woefully underprepared for a military operation of such scale; there simply wasn't sufficient logistical and intelligence preparation in advance. I'm willling to believe that even the high echleons of Russian were only given a few month's notice at most. The actual battleplan was sound, but appeared to be based off a contingency plan drafted shortly after 2014 that vastly underestimated Ukrainian resistance. And even that was not carried out with sufficient force due to lack of preparation. I'm willing to believe that Kremlin carried out the operation irregardless simply because the window of opportunity was closing quickly.

I think Putin was correct from a strategic perspective. Western economies were pummelled by COVID-19, but not yet crippled. Biden, an ardent Atlanticist with a government that was extremely hostile to Russia, was coming to power in the US. Once the West recovered sufficiently from the slump Russia will be chocked further by NATO with no chance of fighting back. It might be his last chance to reverse the increasingly tight stranglehold on Russia and dismantle the existing order. And judging from the economic havoc the war has caused on the West, it appears that Putin was correct after all. As for the Russian military, it simply wasn't Putin's field of expertise.
 
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KYli

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manqiangrexue said:
OK, last time, I saw a Yahoo article with over 90% of the comments pro-China and I thought it was a fluke or that that issue was too easy for people to see that the US was in the wrong but this time again??!! Same thing, everyone saying the US started the tech war and now it's crying that China fights back, does what the US was always doing. I used to post on Yahoo comments before posting to SDF and the place was an absolute shit hole with Americans saying everybody should be bombed if they don't tow the US line. There appears to be some big big changes after they disallowed comments for a while and now everyone on there seems to realize that the US is just a big bully who cries everytime he gets a taste of his own medicine. I wonder what brought about this change.
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I won't rule out a few Americans that have common sense to make intelligent comments. But mostly these comments are made by Chinese Americans, Russian Americans, and people from other countries. It is not regular Americans that are commenting on Yahoo for not popular article.

Taiwanese are also very active in making negative comments on China in some Yahoo articles. If you have popular article about China with many comments, then it is mostly negative and moronic. Those articles are filled with right rings and nationalistic Americans that just want to send China back to stone age.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
OK, last time, I saw a Yahoo article with over 90% of the comments pro-China and I thought it was a fluke or that that issue was too easy for people to see that the US was in the wrong but this time again??!! Same thing, everyone saying the US started the tech war and now it's crying that China fights back, does what the US was always doing. I used to post on Yahoo comments before posting to SDF and the place was an absolute shit hole with Americans saying everybody should be bombed if they don't tow the US line. There appears to be some big big changes after they disallowed comments for a while and now everyone on there seems to realize that the US is just a big bully who cries everytime he gets a taste of his own medicine. I wonder what brought about this change.
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Tr.ump getting damnatio memoriae treatment woke them up.

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GodRektsNoobs

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KampfAlwin said:
Damn this whole thread, @pmc went from having simping slap fights about Russia to Germany, and now Mexico lol. What's next? Antartica?
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He also simps India and Arabs as well. Apparently according to him the Arabs run the most effective military unit in Russia's disposal. It's a real shame that the rest of us here have yet to understand his sentience.
pmc said:
you should not take any thing from Prigozhin....
he is imaginary character created by Arab wealth. they dont want Muslim Men or any thing with real military back ground as it will become too obvious.
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Atomicfrog

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GodRektsNoobs said:
In my opinion the Russian military was woefully underprepared for a military operation of such scale; there simply wasn't sufficient logistical and intelligence preparation in advance. I'm willling to believe that even the high echleons of Russian were only given a few month's notice at most. The actual battleplan was sound, but appeared to be based off a contingency plan drafted shortly after 2014 that vastly underestimated Ukrainian resistance. And even that was not carried out with sufficient force due to lack of preparation. I'm willing to believe that Kremlin carried out the operation irregardless simply because the window of opportunity was closing quickly.

I think Putin was correct from a strategic perspective. Western economies were pummelled by COVID-19, but not yet crippled. Biden, an ardent Atlanticist with a government that was extremely hostile to Russia, was coming to power in the US. Once the West recovered sufficiently from the slump Russia will be chocked further by NATO with no chance of fighting back. It might be his last chance to reverse the increasingly tight stranglehold on Russia and dismantle the existing order. And judging from the economic havoc the war has caused on the West, it appears that Putin was correct after all. As for the Russian military, it simply wasn't Putin's field of expertise.
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Their was a big bet on Ukraine leadership and moral collapsing when the conflict started. Russia gambled a lot on this. Didn't happen, got a hot potato to manage without any gloves and they received a good kick where it hurt. They managed to take some hold of the situation last autumn after Kherson city withdrawal.

Russia will clearly need to doubledown and act to bring the conflict to a positive end for them. Backmut is a pebble on the road at this point and it have taken so long to toss aside. Ukraine have already no firm positive end so they have way less to lose. They can be way more cocky with weapons given to them from NATO and unlimited will to commit presently...
 
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manqiangrexue said:
OK, last time, I saw a Yahoo article with over 90% of the comments pro-China and I thought it was a fluke or that that issue was too easy for people to see that the US was in the wrong but this time again??!! Same thing, everyone saying the US started the tech war and now it's crying that China fights back, does what the US was always doing. I used to post on Yahoo comments before posting to SDF and the place was an absolute shit hole with Americans saying everybody should be bombed if they don't tow the US line. There appears to be some big big changes after they disallowed comments for a while and now everyone on there seems to realize that the US is just a big bully who cries everytime he gets a taste of his own medicine. I wonder what brought about this change.
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They are all paid WUMAOS getting their social credit score trying to collect them precious Xi Jinping ¥¥ as I am one myself. Now, am living the dream baby.

 
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Eventine

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KYli said:
You want to decouple and you got coupled, why complain now. "This is a mafia-like legal system bullying an American company", didn't the US impose sanctions on hundreds of Chinese companies so it is fine when the US does it but when China retaliates it is not OK, the US can't accept the fact that China can and will retaliate. I think the US is scared not about Micron got sanctioned but feared what to come such as Qualcomm and Apple etc.
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They're basically admitting, by this, that Chinese sanctions are working.

They'll probably retaliate with sanctions, which means it's time for more counter sanctions.
 
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dxq4412

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Atomicfrog said:
Their was a big bet on Ukraine leadership and moral collapsing when the conflict started. Russia gambled a lot on this. Didn't happen, got a hot potato to manage without any gloves and they received a good kick where it hurt. They managed to take some hold of the situation last autumn after Kherson city withdrawal.

Russia will clearly need to doubledown and act to bring the conflict to a positive end for them. Backmut is a pebble on the road at this point and it have taken so long to toss aside. Ukraine have already no firm positive end so they have way less to lose. They can be way more cocky with weapons given to them from NATO and unlimited will to commit presently...
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Speaking of ending conflict, personally, I think that now it is the Russian side that may be less willing to promote peace talks: Russia’s domestic economy and finance are basically stable, the people have been mobilized, domestic affairs are basically controllable, and the vast majority of third world countries are basically neutral. This year, Russia’s economy may even grow positively, while Western Europe’s politics and economy are generally not good, not to mention the United States. If the war continues until next year, then Biden might as well withdraw from the election. If I were Putin, I would definitely try to drag the war into next year.
 
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