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tygyg1111

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There are more men than women in China, so I don't think it's a problem that many Chinese men are marrying foreigners.
As long as you're only marrying out the dregs (which largely seems to be the case with China). You don't want 'brain drain' via marriage
 
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tygyg1111

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That's totally not the same as what I was saying. I'm saying that it's wrong to spurn the men/women of your country specifically for foreign men/women because you percieve there to be some problem with the men/women of your country. If you are lonesome Joe (Zhou), can't get a date despite trying, don't have anything going for you that the Chinese consider making you dateable, go ahead save up and start checking out some SEA bride catalogues. You'll know it's what you need to do when you're at that place in life.

In my experience, the cure to ultra feminism is ultra masculinity, in the most charming and least oppressive way. Feminists become hateful when men don't treat them like gentlemen but like competition to be pushed around using patriarichal weapons. Those ultra feminists who meet the right man usually convert right back out of it like it was a phase. Sit there arms stretched over the back of your chair, chest out (bonus points if your pecs can dance), gym shoulders look like you're wearing a football guard under your shirt. Make some jokes, make her giggle, then wrap one arm around her, bicep guiding the nape of her neck with the other arm out hailing a cab, and whisper to her, "You're gonna break all 4 vows with me." Next day all her fem friends are like, "She never misses these meetings where we talk about how small guys dicks are and throw darts at male model posters. Where is she???" But she'll show up. One hour late, one last time, hair a mess, shirt stained and untucked, to tell them she'll be too busy to come in the future. Bonus Lion's Den Ultra Alpha Alternate Ending: She shows up with you, and 6 of your doctor/engineer/banker, etc... gym buddies like you in tow. Weekly Ultra-Fem meeting group still takes place, same place, same time, but the sign up front now says, "Expectant Mothers Show and Tell Group."

In all seriousness, Chinese society has a lot of work pressure and it's making a lot of guys beta. Beta males start getting bitchy with the ladies at work instead of wooing them after. That's a societal problem that needs to be addressed but the key is to not lose productivity and lag in national develpment as a consequence.
Nice prose. On an unrelated note, do you happen to know of, or have anything to do with a novel titled "Xi's the one"?
 

tygyg1111

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You imposed sanctions. You confiscated Russian assets. You enacted a financial freeze. Do you expect Russia to take your useless Euro and give you free gas. What Russia is going to do with all those useless Euro? Beside, Russia isn't going to accumulate more Euro now and later got its Euro assets confiscated again. Russia isn't a moron.

Again, don't overthink about this. Russia would eventually find buyers for its gas as multiple pipelines are in the planning state to deliver Russian gas to China. As for EU, it would take a few years but eventually it would find a way to import sufficient gas and other energy imports from other sources, maybe EU might need to pay a little more but that is a small price to pay.
Don't bother arguing, the desperation in his tone indicates he's not in a rational mood. Just say "yes, ukraine is winning, and patriot missiles are effective" and he'll go away
 

Chevalier

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Banning diamonds is like banning cotton. It is just as ridiculous as you can get.

All sanctions are self-serving. If the EU can't find an alternative, then they would turn a blind eye and continue to import commodities from Russia.
It's almost like westerners have a deep investment in 'Face' and cannot abide being made to look weak and forced to climb down on their soap boxes.
Ukrainians being Whites are the sole reason why Japanese are willing to accept them as refugees. Other asylum seekers would be deported as it always has been.
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Ukrainians have been living and working in Japan for quite some time; some of my favourite JAV stars are Ukrainian. But Ukrainians are conventionally attractive from a western standpoint so a wannabe western country like Japan which once had the inferiority complex during the Meiji Restoration to even propose having westerners bang their women so as to improve the genetic stock, would naturally accomodate Ukrainians.

In Australia after the 2nd world war, the government wanted to increase the population for what they thought was going to be a 3rd world war against the soviets and China, but it was difficult because the australian public was very White Australia Policy and Anglocentric, so they got the public to agree by showing them beautiful blonde haired, blue eyed Balts and eastern europeans as the first migrant examples, before including greeks and italians and later dropping the WAP later.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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This ex-MP is mildly honest.

Problem: Can’t afford food?
Solution: Just don’t buy it.


Problem: Inflation is skyrocketing?
Solution: Pull up your bootstraps rags (bootstraps too expensive). This is a god given right.


Problem: Don’t have a job?
Solution: Slavery at the fruit planation.



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Strong energy similarity with this infamous lady over here:

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manqiangrexue

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China's TFR isn't where it is because of "extreme feminism" or beta/gamma/lambda/whatever letter from the Greek alphabet men not "manning up" and getting married. That's a caricature of the problem. Couples are choosing not to have children for completely sensible economic reasons.

I didn't follow the back-and-forth here. Where I came in was when you mocked @eprash for a naïve proposal that was nonetheless in the right direction. A scientific solution doesn't need to entail sci-fi technologies like artificial wombs or technology far from ready for human application like germline gene editing. A practical solution in that spirit with today's technologies would be a program of mass IVF and surrogacy, with gametes gathered from a broad swath of the Chinese population and surrogates drawn from the world's poor. Instead of editing individual embryos with a tool like CRISPR, the donors would be sequenced and AI used to determine optimal combinations. The children resulting from this program would be raised in state-run orphanages and boarding schools.

That's a solution that matches the magnitude of the problem, not Andrew Tate University courses in "masculinity."

You're the one who put them in opposition by saying technology isn't meant to turn having children into the Matrix/Borg Collective. It might come to just that; it might be that for China to become the power it should be, it'll have to turn into that. If, because "traditional values" will fail to arrest the birth decline as they have failed at everything else, the choice is between becoming another Japan or the Borg, I'll happily take the Borg.

To reiterate, the problem isn't men being too cucked by feminists to talk to women. The problem is that people in otherwise healthy relationships choose not to have children because they don't want to deal with their hassle and can't afford them.
OK so you didn't follow the conversation but jumped in anyway. Here is the context:

1. A group of people were talking about radical feminism and how screwed Korea is. But it is also present in China, though in a lower concentration.
2. Vincent says Chinese men should just find foreign women, problem solved.
3. I said, no, Chinese men and women need to work together, love each other and have Chinese children. That is the fabric of Chinese society.
4. Eprash goes, eh, screw that, just use artificial wombs. Essentially, it means to completely give in to radical feminism and start a gender war in China making sex and marriage all unnecessary. That's his uber hikikomori solution over Chinese society working out its gender grievances.
5. I, of course, disagreed because there is just absolutely no reason to terminate the biological complimentary bond between men and women just because the evolution of modern society is presenting some challenges.

That's when you come in, thinking that we were talking about how to raise the TFR, which is relevent but downstream from the conversation which is as simple as working out the issues and holding on the the love between man and woman instead of escalating the differences and grievances until all Chinese people try to find foreign mates or artificial wombs. It's that simple.

Raising the TFR is another issue and very important. We should do all we can to solve the problem. Artificial wombs are a great technology to help that goal, not to turn Chinese society into a Borg Colony but to allow couples who could not conceive to conceive and to relieve the strain from women so they don't feel like a child will ruin their careers and wreck their bodies. I support this technology very much in this context, NOT as a substitute to excuse people to tear up social interaction and family structure, but as an assistive technology to further the Chinese family. As I said before with Solarz, my wife and I got over 10 surrogates with many failing physician checks and some failing the implantation procedure, costing us valuable embryos. If there were artificial wombs that we can use to ensure that every condition is primed for our embryos, we would happily break the bank to use them.

And if we back up a million steps and go to an apocalyptic scenerio where the Chinese population is decimated from low TFR rate and every effort made to reverse it has failed, then yes, as a last resource, I support the use of artificial wombs to keep us Chinese in existance. As long as we live, there is a chance for a glorious future. Natural family over Borg Colony, but Borg Colony over extinction anyday.
 
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