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FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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India is about 20 years behind China. China wasn't that relevant in cutting edge technology R&D 20 years ago, either. It's just not at the same stage of development, which is an all of society problem that IT out sourcing can't solve. The top talent from India do not stay in India. They certainly don't work for Indian companies.
China got rid of the caste system in the bronze age when Shang was overthrown by Zhou.

China started elimination of mass illiteracy in the 1950s and eliminated youth illiteracy by the 1980s.

20 years ago China had SMIC, Baidu, Huawei, Tencent, ZTE, BYD, etc.

SMIC had commercial 90 nm production.

BYD came out with its first mass market NEV in 2008, the F3DM hybrid.

20 years?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I’ve always suspected the Americans will use a genetically engineered bioweapon on ethnic Chinese. China’s massive population is considered a threat to the American empire. Might also use bioweapons to target China’s food supply to cause chaos.

The Russian MoD has been publishing documents they’ve obtained in Ukraine of US biolabs and the bioweapons they have been developing. It’s pure evil.

*Cough* Covid *Cough*.

Remember all the initial reports about how it was far more infectious and deadly to Chinese/Asians than anyone else and how the collective west used covid as a point scoring opportunity to purposefully break Chinese quarantine efforts to fly their nationals in the quarantine zone home on much vaunted ‘rescue flights’. All the while implementing zero boarder checks never mind controls, except to ban Chinese nationals as if the virus respected nationality. Makes zero sense unless they knew the virus was race selective, from the start.

I have suspended from the start that covid was a gene targeted bioweapon that was supposed to be extremely infectious, lethal, but have relatively low lethality for maximum transmissions rates targeted at Chinese in particular and Asians in general as a side effect, with high natural immunity and low death rates for Caucasians. It was developed more as an economic weapon to kill China’s economy rather than genocide Chinese.

The ‘problem’ was that China contained it unexpectedly quickly and effectively and it mutated to kill other races just as effectively.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Not weird at all.... Indian IT tech isn't really IT tech, it's business process outsourcing (BPO), which is essentially glorified data entry for payroll, accounting, customer support, telemarketing etc. BPO is low margin and low sophistication, and even Filipinos can do it (as all you need is basic English ability, grade school maths & Excel skills), thus competing with the Indians for pennies in this low-end market.
Which what concerns me is that due to the advances in AI LLM like ChatGPT and others like it wouldn't this field be severely impacted which would drastically affect countries like India and the Philippines business of call centres and these typr of business? Please, correct me if my understanding of this issue is incorrect.
 

pmc

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Kinda weird that India tech is still thrash considering they been a main source of western it outsourcing since the 90s

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I think they are talking about inside India.
India is estimate to have 300m households. you can put about 80m households as earning more than $10,000. This give you $800b worth of purchasing power minimum but does it include only Salary? or wealth creation through real estate, securities or Gold.
Indians have major contributions to Middleast real estate and now Saudi may follow UAE model. Its Indian century in sense that Global Indian citizens will occupy higher positions in World. India will consume what rest of the world produces It is just demographic reality and Europe and Quad more under US. Germany can talk all about its export surplus but it dead beat factory workers and small business will never able to afford the size of families and luxurious wedding that Indians enjoy.

Only 26% of India’s households earned more than $10,000 in 2021, according to a Morgan Stanley report last year. This is a sobering reality for those such as McKinsey Managing Partner Bob Sternfels, who declared that it isn’t the decade but rather the century that belongs to India.


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KYli

Brigadier
Since MSM doesn't report FM Qin Gang's full text and only emphasize of German FM calling China a systematic rival and need to call out Russia and de-risking from China. I would do some translation.

Qin Gang hints that China isn't like some superpower that bombed and destroyed North stream pipe. De-risking is an attempt to target China and decoupling from China and politicizing trade and investment. Consequently, such actions would result in loss opportunities for cooperation, stabilization and development.

A new cold war has been started by one country to destabilize the world rules and incite adversaries and forming alliance and dividing the world into different rival camp. Using economic warfare to decouple the world trading system, using the Dollar hegemony for long arm jurisdictions and illegal sanctions and unilateral sanctions, in addition outsourcing of inflation through printing dollars, outsourcing of financial crisis through dollars, these irresponsible actions should be truly needed to look into. As it doesn't only affect China but the world including EU.
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反对霸权霸道霸凌行径,绝不会干类似破坏“北溪”二号管道的事
但也对欧方声称的“去风险”表示关切。如果以“去风险”之名行去中国化之实,那就是在去机遇、去合作、去稳定、去发展。中德、中欧双方都应该遵守国际贸易规则和契约精神,保持相互开放,不要把正常的经贸投资合作政治化,不要人为干预市场行为。

值得注意的是,有的国家正在发动 新冷战”,破坏国际规则,煽动意识形态对立,搞阵营对抗,“脱钩断链”,滥用本国货币的垄断地位对别国实施长臂管辖、单边制裁,还对外输出本国的通胀、财政危机,造成严重的外溢效应。这些才是需要重视的、真正的风险!一旦这场“新冷战”打起来,损害的不仅是中国的利益,也会牺牲欧洲的利益。最近奥地利一个智库发表一份研究报告,估算如果对华脱钩,德国一年GDP将下降2%,相当于损失600亿欧元。我们必须坚决反对“脱钩断链”,对“新冷战”保持高度警惕,携起手来,共同维护全球产业链供应链稳定畅通。
 

Helius

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China should formally accuse the US of genocide and continued occupation of Native Americans.
China already does -
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In Japan, cheap sushi, sashimi and energy are more important than G7 partnership...

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Japan called out by G7 ally Canada over imports of Russian seafood, energy amid Ukraine war​

• Japanese importers’ preference for cheap Russian seafood hasn’t gone unnoticed in Canada, which says it has raised the issue with Tokyo​

• Imports of Russian timber and energy also continue to flow in, as Japanese consumers struggle with the highest inflation in three decades​

Japan supporting the genocide of fishes and trees in Russia?! What outrage!
 

pmc

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In Japan, cheap sushi, sashimi and energy are more important than G7 partnership...

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Japan called out by G7 ally Canada over imports of Russian seafood, energy amid Ukraine war​

• Japanese importers’ preference for cheap Russian seafood hasn’t gone unnoticed in Canada, which says it has raised the issue with Tokyo​

• Imports of Russian timber and energy also continue to flow in, as Japanese consumers struggle with the highest inflation in three decades​

It should not be surprising i am sure both sides are exchanging goods. Japanese policies of looking tough but acting different. you can observe it from some of the largest Japanese gardens in Crimea. and the Lexus SUV indoor parking garages when there was not even a Crimean bridge. when there is more tech you need to transfer more high tech workers and parts to maintain them. Reliability and smoothness of large capacity engines/transmission in various driving modes of Japanese are second to none along with provision of that 140 liter tanks for long drives.
see this video. There is only White Japanese Nissan SUVs. how many presidential protection level vehicles in the world that are all white.

or this scene from one of the video created by blogger for Russia in UAE. The point is not just advertisement of Toyota Pickup but demonstration of super fast internal and external modification with people inside and outside. No one is pointing out that black window Japanese SUV at distance. culture of efficiency when you are under camera lens. Japan has grown up from traditional ways of manufacturing everything inside Japan to more global manufacturing like American Honda Co or Panasonic in US that deal with Tesla but they keep certain things inside Japan like its famous Toyota Tahara plant and than use those products create business relationships across the globe.

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horse

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You're missing the core nature of the matter.

1) Huawei (and ZTE etc.)'s competitors like Samsung and Nokia got easy contracts for free and secured their survival.

2) Huawei (and ZTE etc.) lost the U.S. and its vassal market.

This is a hegemony war about who controls what. This isn't about enjoying the best technology or prosperity. The U.S. doesn't have control over Huawei's equipment and network and that's the problem for the U.S. By banning Huawei, the U.S. ensures control over its and its vassal territories.

Three things.

1) That is immaterial. That word is just a way of saying that does not matter. In the worldwide telecom market, no one will have 100%, even if they have the best gear to form that monopoly, which by all indications, Huawei has.


2) Huawei is still a big player in European telecoms, and Huawei still the world's largest telecom gear provider, double the size of those two European companies. Very few countries have banned Huawei.

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3) The Americans trying to keep their allies in line, and the Americans trying to counter China, are two separate things.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I think they are talking about inside India.
India is estimate to have 300m households. you can put about 80m households as earning more than $10,000. This give you $800b worth of purchasing power minimum but does it include only Salary? or wealth creation through real estate, securities or Gold.
Indians have major contributions to Middleast real estate and now Saudi may follow UAE model. Its Indian century in sense that Global Indian citizens will occupy higher positions in World. India will consume what rest of the world produces It is just demographic reality and Europe and Quad more under US. Germany can talk all about its export surplus but it dead beat factory workers and small business will never able to afford the size of families and luxurious wedding that Indians enjoy.




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I am quite intrigued and interested to see and read what you've been reading about India, since you tend to keep hyping up these countries like Russia, Germany, and now India as if Indians have already arrived as the powerhouse economic bloc that they think they are. The number of actually middle class that can afford all these western products to sustain, support, and replace Chinese consumers is simply not there yet in every meaningful way as actual STATS bear that out. Yet here you are keeping up the charade and facade of Indian economic heft when it's just not there yet. Unless you have a set of data that you'd care to share with us that can sway our opinion on this matter then please I for one would love to see them.
 

Biscuits

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But what if the Americans use a few B-2s with cruise missiles just to preemptively blow up the fabs even if they are still in the hands of the Taiwanese? Will the PLAAF or PLANAF CAP extend that far away in the initial stages just to prevent B-2s from striking targets on Taiwan? Even though I think they have far easier options for sabotaging the fabs without utilizing strategic bombers.
China still has other fabs than those.

Nothing on Taiwan is vital to the Chinese economy or war machine. In fact, Beijing doesn't count KMT controlled areas as its own gdp.
 
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