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Five weeks later, the call still hasn't happened.

Instead, after two months of diplomatic sniping and Xi's trip this week to Moscow where he and Russian President Vladimir Putin jointly denounced the United States, U.S.-China relations have slid to what some say is the worst since the countries normalized ties in the 1970s.

Further complicating matters are stopovers in the United States next week and in early April by Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen, who according to sources familiar with the planning may meet Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy during a "transit" stop in California on her way back from Latin America.

"This is not a good moment for American diplomacy," said William Kirby, a professor of Chinese studies at Harvard University. "The last time China and Russia were this close was 1957, when Mao Zedong declared in Moscow, 'The East Wind will prevail over the West Wind."

Now U.S. officials are once again asking how to reset the world's most important bilateral relationship.

A Biden-Xi call would be an obvious first step. But despite the efforts of U.S. diplomats, sources said the Chinese have shown little interest in committing to such a call, which would be their first known interaction since a November meeting at the G20 in Bali.

Blinken did meet with China's top diplomat Wang Yi at the Munich Security Conference last month after the balloon incident, but this did not soothe tensions. A source familiar with that conversation called it the most antagonistic U.S.-China engagement since contentious talks in Alaska early in the Biden administration.

The person said China had declined to coordinate the meeting, forcing the State Department's top East Asia diplomat, Daniel Kritenbrink, to personally track down Wang Yi at the conference center to ask whether it would happen.

STATE OF THE UNION COMMENT
The U.S. decision to shoot down the Chinese balloon on Feb. 4 drew angry complaints from China and Wang called the U.S. reaction "hysterical".

The source said frictions were also exacerbated by Biden's State of the Union speech three days later in which he appeared to question Xi's standing on the world stage, enraging officials in Beijing.

"Name me a world leader who'd change places with Xi Jinping. Name me one," Biden said in his speech, evidently referring to a host of domestic and foreign policy challenges facing China.

The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.

A U.S. State Department spokesperson did not address the Munich meeting or China's reaction to Biden's comments but said that the U.S. will continue to keep "open and constructive lines of communication" with China.

"In past times, when the relationship encountered a major dip, as after the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 or the Taiwan Strait crisis of 1995-96, the two countries made serious efforts to reestablish a stable foundation under their relations," said Michael Swaine, a China expert at the Quincy Institute.

"Now a deepening level of suspicion, vitriol, and finger-pointing dominate almost all exchanges, preventing substantive engagement."

A senior U.S. administration official said on Monday Washington was urging China to keep communication channels open despite Tsai Ing-wen's planned stopovers, which are sensitive given that China claims self-governed Taiwan as its own.

The official said Washington was open to China's views on whether to conduct a Xi-Biden call or reschedule a trip to China by Secretary of State Antony Blinken postponed due to the balloon incident.

Rick Waters, the U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for China, Taiwan and Mongolia, is currently in China and a person familiar with his plans said he would likely seek to lay the groundwork for Blinken to visit.

AN EMBOLDENED CHINA
Some, like the Republican chair of the House select committee on China Mike Gallagher, want a tougher line, saying that Russia and China are already engaged in "a New Cold War."

He said that to ensure China does not follow Russia's lead in Ukraine by invading Taiwan, Washington should "aggressively clear the backlog of foreign military sales to Taiwan and ensure that American hard power is capable of deterring Xi's clear ambitions to absorb the island democracy."

However, Biden is likely to find Xi emboldened in any call after a Chinese-brokered rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran and his meetings with Putin. That could make him less likely to offer concessions that could generate much-needed goodwill, said Lily McElwee, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Daniel Russel, the top U.S. diplomat for East Asia under former President Barack Obama, said the window for a Biden-Xi call could be "slow to open and quick to close" given Biden will travel to Japan and Australia in May for meetings of G-7 and Quad countries Washington has encouraged to push back against China's ambitions, which will likely further antagonize Beijing.
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The Neocons and warmongers are coping pretty hard over that fact they couldn’t place NATO armies on the Russian-Chinese border.
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China-Russia ties are not an alliance because China isn't blowing up Russian pipelines and Russia is swallowing that. That is what the US understands from the word alliance. Subordination...

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Middle East is literally on fire and Latin America is next in line but some how everything is fine…
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Biden admin probably hurt US strategic interests more than Trump admin. His only success so far is tying Europe to the USA but I am not sure how useful it will be considering that the European economies are getting Japanified and we will likely be back to the 2020 attitude by 2035 at most. A Ron DeSantis presidency can even achieve that by 2028. Everything else is a dumpster fire, including US social division and the economy.
 
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The Trump-Biden admin years will go down in history as a key period of transition in Chinese and world politics.

Before Trump-Biden, China’s primary objective was to seek common ground and accommodate the US as much as possible to try to limit the negative spillover to the US from China’s re-emergence to achieve a win-win scenario where both China and America can live with each other as peers if not equals and as co-leaders of the world. This was best exemplified in the way China helped the US and west contain and mitigate the 2008 financial crisis that western greed created with no complaint or attempts to capitalise on the west’s troubles by seeking unreasonable terms or advantages as conditions for China’s vast and generous assistance.

Trump first ripped off America’s carefully crafted and long maintained mask with his crude bumbling aping of a mafia boss to try to shake down China.

Alone, the negative impact of such a toxic Presidency might have been contained by pinning the blame on Trump the person if followed by a more reasonable successor administration. However, Biden’s administration showed itself to be, if anything, even more deeply and fundamentally hostile and unaccepting of a rising China than Trump’s. The fact that anti-China sentiment is bipartisan and so deep rooted expunged all remaining doubt within the minds of China’s leaders and most Chinese citizens that America will never tolerate China’s rise.

Consequently, Chinese policy and strategy has fundamentally changed from one of avoiding a new global cold and possible hot war, to winning it. Xi’s inauguration speech as good as spelled it out.

I think we are now in the period of the quiet before the storm. This may be a longer period of peace than many might expect, as China systematically puts pieces in position globally, but it is not stable long term.

In the future, when later western generations lament the waste and destruction to come and ask where it all started to go wrong, remember what Trump, and especially Biden did to sow the whirlwind.
 
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I thought I do a pretty good parody of red blooded murican patriot but Tom managed to even top that. That takes real talent. Doesn’t have anything to do with governing though. Maybe we can swap places so he could mod shitpost in the forum while I run things in his state?
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And people wonder why on earth all these tech companies are declaring mass firings, either the USA cannot innovate for shit or they simply target any firm that sounds Chinese. End of the day lesson, simply do not invest in the USA, the nation as a collective spits on all the good blessings they receive, surely the land of the USA should be given to those who will respect the land more (I.e. China), not this fool such as Cotton who is afraid of a friggen video creation software on a phone. Nothing is going to convince otherwise that lining up and shooting every single neocon in the dick, isn’t a boon for humanity, at least to claim back some of the brain cells from reading his brain dead tweet
 
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And people wonder why on earth all these tech companies are declaring mass firings, either the USA cannot innovate for shit or they simply target any firm that sounds Chinese. End of the day lesson, simply do not invest in the USA, the nation as a collective spits on all the good blessings they receive, surely the land of the USA should be given to those who will respect the land more (I.e. China), not this fool such as Cotton who is afraid of a friggen video creation software on a phone. Nothing is going to convince otherwise that lining up and shooting every single neocon in the dick, isn’t a boon for humanity, at least to claim back some of the brain cells from reading his brain dead tweet
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Pains me to say that listed investment in China for average global investors may not be reflective of actual economic growth too. Does it look like China's economy go up only 3-4x in since 1999 ? And the huge x2 spike and burst( 2008 and 2016) does not reflect well on institutional investors' risk management checklist. SP500's curve on the other hand is relative much more stable.

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