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Temstar

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Sometimes these people do have a plan, kinda. Koreans' mythical origin is Paektusan (Baitoushan 白头山, Chinese name 长白山). Confucius lived in Shandong. Claiming that Confucius was Korean is that iteratively reinventing their history over time. In the future they will use their fake history to lay claims to north east China at least. Especially with the recent discovery of fossil fuel deposits in Bohai.

It's classic tactics well practised by DPP in Taiwan too - charge 5 steps forward, get pushed back 3, they still end up 2 steps forward.
Doesn't North Korea have a better claim than south though? Don't Kim family claim to have 白头山 bloodline?
 

Biscuits

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Food security. Not agricultural autarky.

But like you said, we can all believe what we want to believe. Though it is humorous how similar these arguments are to Western think tanks about China’s food imports being a “
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One doesn’t have to dig deep to see the root causes of most famines or food shortages. It’s almost never because there were “too many mouths to feed”.
But even adopting a policy of maximalist births would not necessarily create a larger population. No developed country really succeeded in having high fertility without mass immigration. Whether China should have mass immigration or not, that's another issue and I think some degree of demographic level immigration from friendly nations is desirable.

Family planning policies suggested most families, especially the urbanites to only have 1 child but this did in reality not have a great effect on fertility. When the commission dropped its policies, it had next to no effect on Chinese birth rate for almost 15 years.

What it did and was meant to achieve was the popularisation of contraceptives in a society that earlier did not have a modern concept of their use, and this is obviously a very important thing for developing the modernity of the country. A sharp drop in birth rate only happened a generation later, precisely due to the spread of contraceptives and improved sexual health.

In early transitional economies which China was in the 1970s (as well as in developing countries), people generally do not value their children as much as they should. This type of thinking is very damaging to the future of the nation, because quality workers, not quantity is what makes a country great. Africa and India have quantity, yet you'd be hard pressed to even find a single screw let alone a high tech device made there. That's because manufacturing is largely a winner takes all with the most efficient and educated workforce taking over almost everything.

China has also far outpaced the projected growth during the Deng era. IIRC Deng expected China to become the largest economy in the 2050s, in reality it happened in the 2015s. So the projected population carrying capacity back then would not be reflective of today's carrying capacity. Basically most Deng era projections are invalid.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Food security. Not agricultural autarky.

But like you said, we can all believe what we want to believe. Though it is humorous how similar these arguments are to Western think tanks about China’s food imports being a “
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One doesn’t have to dig deep to see the root causes of most famines or food shortages. It’s almost never because there were “too many mouths to feed”.

I don't really think you understand the struggle and hardships a growing number of farmers in China are going through. You tend to paint a rosy picture on China's real agriculture/food security issue and it's an issue because even the central government said it's an imperative issue for the country that it becomes food secure. But what to do with people like this and many others in China that are facing similar dilemmas along with urbanization problem that are attracting younger Chinese from farming to work in big cities?

 

Biscuits

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I don't really think you understand the struggle and hardships a growing number of farmers in China are going through. You tend to paint a rosy picture on China's real agriculture/food security issue and it's an issue because even the central government said it's an imperative issue for the country that it becomes food secure. But what to do with people like this and many others in China that are facing similar dilemmas along with urbanization problem that are attracting younger Chinese from farming to work in big cities?

Surely the Russia as breadbasket plan is available now. As well as more targeted initiatives at home to build up agriculture.

China's problem is that most of its farmers run small businesses and are small land owners which focus on animals. Animals don't have as high food yield as crops, but farmers keep them because of tradition.

In an ideal future, mass farmed crops would be the dominant area of Chinese agriculture, with labor intensive meat industry being outsourced to friendly and spacious countries.

But all this would not have been projected by old plans from the 80s or 90s, because it was only made possible by modernization being decades ahead of the timeline, so it kinda makes sense China does not have plans to act on such changes right in this moment.
 

HighGround

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I don't really think you understand the struggle and hardships a growing number of farmers in China are going through. You tend to paint a rosy picture on China's real agriculture/food security issue and it's an issue because even the central government said it's an imperative issue for the country that it becomes food secure. But what to do with people like this and many others in China that are facing similar dilemmas along with urbanization problem that are attracting younger Chinese from farming to work in big cities?

Well no, I dont think that China is operating at peak efficiency in farming. That’s actually why I believe that China is capable of feeding far more people. It’s agricultural potential is much greater than its current output.

I understand that things aren’t perfect. That’s why I am suggesting that the core issue isn’t “lack of resources”, but their inefficient utilization. Nothing is easy, but we must see our possibilities and strive to exceed them.
 

BoraTas

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What is this cringe piece? You can't tell me Chinese analysts are incapable of understanding the reasoning laid out repeatedly even in many threads on this forum of how useless shoulder fired MANPADS and ATGMs will be as a defensive tool in a Taiwan conflict. I'm just gonna assume this is another "look how our awesome weapons strike fear into the hearts of the seeseepee" propaganda piece Reuters is commissioning for Raytheon.
They will stop the PLA by shooting down 40 helos. That's their MANPADS plan. It is quite funny how they assume the PLA wouldn't be capable of absorbing 1-5% attrition. GWOT really warped the minds of the Western populace a lot about what war is.
 

HighGround

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But even adopting a policy of maximalist births would not necessarily create a larger population. No developed country really succeeded in having high fertility without mass immigration. Whether China should have mass immigration or not, that's another issue and I think some degree of demographic level immigration from friendly nations is desirable.

Family planning policies suggested most families, especially the urbanites to only have 1 child but this did in reality not have a great effect on fertility. When the commission dropped its policies, it had next to no effect on Chinese birth rate for almost 15 years.

What it did and was meant to achieve was the popularisation of contraceptives in a society that earlier did not have a modern concept of their use, and this is obviously a very important thing for developing the modernity of the country. A sharp drop in birth rate only happened a generation later, precisely due to the spread of contraceptives and improved sexual health.

In early transitional economies which China was in the 1970s (as well as in developing countries), people generally do not value their children as much as they should. This type of thinking is very damaging to the future of the nation, because quality workers, not quantity is what makes a country great. Africa and India have quantity, yet you'd be hard pressed to even find a single screw let alone a high tech device made there. That's because manufacturing is largely a winner takes all with the most efficient and educated workforce taking over almost everything.

China has also far outpaced the projected growth during the Deng era. IIRC Deng expected China to become the largest economy in the 2050s, in reality it happened in the 2015s. So the projected population carrying capacity back then would not be reflective of today's carrying capacity. Basically most Deng era projections are invalid.
Im not sure why this is directed at me.

i don’t think that China has a demographic “crisis”, nor do I think that China needs to urgently grow its population. I simply think that the One Child Policy was unnecessary, born out of fear that China would not be able to feed its people.

Considering how explosively agriculture yields exploded after the agricultural reforms, I think this fear was ill-placed.

All that said, China wouldn’t hurt from more births and a more “balanced” population growth going forward. I also think that fears over China’s food supply are ill placed. Yes, we should always look to grow more and better food, and I think that China can grow a lot more food. Which is why Im not too worried about China running out of arable land or whatever.
 

Chevalier

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Many people were writing about this. Invading Mexico is not a fringe idea among Republicans at all. It really isn't. A lot of Republican politicians post Tweets about it commonly and they get a lot of likes. Immigration, cartels and drugs are all blamed on Mexico. If Republicans win in 2024, the invasion of Mexico will become a real possibility.
As horrible as it would be for the Mexicans, it would be to China’s benefit to have the US mired in Mexico with Mexicans armed and trained by NOC PLA specops. Bonus points if Mexican forces are able tk launch rocket attacks on Dallas and have the war spillover i tk California which rightfully belongs to Mexico anyhow.

The Sydney Morning Herald which once championed the white Australia policy doubles down on sending Australia to war against China
The Herald’s expert panel’s naming of China as a clear and present threat has been underscored by their call for US long-range missiles – potentially armed with nuclear weapons in the most dire of circumstances – to be based on Australian territory and the reintroduction of national service.
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(Make sure you read it from the archive site and not the website, why give these racists your clicks?)

Seriously , these ghouls want a draft of Australians to throw at PLA bullets so they can get a pat on the head and a choice role at American arms companies. Unbelievable.
 
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