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daifo

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I’m beginning to think that any Taiwan action must include a proper military defeat of the United States; only then will countries around the world break the mental enslavement of following the Anglos

All of those tiny snot size country in Europe overthink their importance. I wonder if they do magic accounting to keep their gdp high.
 

ansy1968

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I’m beginning to think that any Taiwan action must include a proper military defeat of the United States; only then will countries around the world break the mental enslavement of following the Anglos
Butt hurt bro, who want to buy a Nokia phone;) ,even the cheapskake Indians won't touch it....lol
 

BlackWindMnt

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I’m beginning to think that any Taiwan action must include a proper military defeat of the United States; only then will countries around the world break the mental enslavement of following the Anglos
You know i thought the same about 2020, 2021 and 2022 this moment of US empire weakness would finally give European leaders the bravery to just grab their chance for sovereignty and take back control. But well look at Europe now they laid down willing and pull off their pants for daddy Biden. To think they celebrated the return of the goldfish brain king.

Butt hurt bro, who want to buy a Nokia phone;) ,even the cheapskake Indians won't touch it....lol
Yeah does Nokia even exist anymore im pretty sure microsoft gutted the company off its IP portfolio so it offers nothing the US doesn't already have.
 

ansy1968

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You know i thought the same about 2020, 2021 and 2022 this moment of US empire weakness would finally give European leaders the bravery to just grab their chance for sovereignty and take back control. But well look at Europe now they laid down willing and pull off their pants for daddy Biden. To think they celebrated the return of the goldfish brain king.


Yeah does Nokia even exist anymore im pretty sure microsoft gutted the company off its IP portfolio so it offers nothing the US doesn't already have.
Yeah bro, it's all optics, what do Finland export to China? ei mitään!!!! Nokia and Wartsila engine are two known Finland brand BUT they were outcompeted by the Chinese, they talk tough cause China is far away. With most EU countries produce and compete with each other, let's see if they be crawling back to Beijing in a year of two kowtowing and kissing the feet of Emperor Xi.
 

Hadoren

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Call me back when Finland enacts a large-scale tariff on China.

It's been half a decade since the New Cold War started. Not a single European country - in fact not a single American ally, not even Australia! - has placed large-scale tariffs or bans on Chinese goods.

One pattern I've observed over the years is that Europeans love to talk about reducing dependency on China. They especially love doing so in English when speaking with Americans. Yet when it comes to anti-China action, the Europeans always seem to be rudely interrupted by a critical summer beach holiday that comes first in priority.
 

Biscuits

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The challenges are plenty, but I'm confident China can deal with most of it.

The only aspect I worry a lot about is demographics. The forces at play there seem beyond most countries' ability to control; and East Asian countries, especially, have not found the way to do it. Look at Japan. Look at South Korea. Basket cases in demographic decline.

If China can solve the demographic problem and go back to a stable or growing fertility rate, I'd say the future is bright regardless of what the US does. China just needs to wait it out, until the forces of history equalize the playing field. But at the current speed of aging, time may in fact be on the US's side. It's very hard to beat the US - which keeps importing young immigrants - if half the country is 65+ and the other half is stuck in service jobs because of it.
East Asian countries are just developed but have a mental block against mass immigration.

Mass immigration causes the issues it does in Europe and America because they run on a racial hierarchy, and the poor huddled masses are understandably not thrilled about being 2nd class citizens. On the other hand, they can also not return to their countries which were destroyed by the west.

In theory time might be on America's side, if they had the same level of administrative efficiency and population integration as China. But in practice, despite how much China is suffering from economic issues, America is still unable to exceed or in most cases even come close to China in growth.

This will only get worse with time for US because as the economic gap grows, 5% of growth for China will be way more than 5% growth for US.

Even if China slows down to a permanent 3% crawl due to demographic issues in the late 2030s, US would still need to grow at 5-10% just to eventually hope to catch up. And it was many decades since US had growth on that level.

There is just no way it could happen unless massive sweeping reforms happen in America while massive sweeping regressions happen in China. Time would only be on America's side if America and China switched governments.
 

Serb

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East Asian countries are just developed but have a mental block against mass immigration.

Mass immigration causes the issues it does in Europe and America because they run on a racial hierarchy, and the poor huddled masses are understandably not thrilled about being 2nd class citizens. On the other hand, they can also not return to their countries which were destroyed by the west.

In theory time might be on America's side, if they had the same level of administrative efficiency and population integration as China. But in practice, despite how much China is suffering from economic issues, America is still unable to exceed or in most cases even come close to China in growth.

This will only get worse with time for US because as the economic gap grows, 5% of growth for China will be way more than 5% growth for US.

Even if China slows down to a permanent 3% crawl due to demographic issues in the late 2030s, US would still need to grow at 5-10% just to eventually hope to catch up. And it was many decades since US had growth on that level.

There is just no way it could happen unless massive sweeping reforms happen in America while massive sweeping regressions happen in China. Time would only be on America's side if America and China switched governments.

The US grows 1.4% this year and China 5%, in GDP, even after all that covid bullshit and China getting the worst birth rates in history.

China could accept mass immigration if she wanted, it's just that she doesn't want that. She doesn't want to be an ethnically, and racially, divided country like the US, where civil unrest might happen at any time. China could immigrate all the SE Asia if it wanted due to its economic power and standard of living especially in large cities but China doesn't want that. The division is a weakness. China values its Han ethnic unity the most. That's why Chiha is so much faster than the US in making decisions in following them amongst other things.

China's immigration is migrating those 500 million more people from rural to urban areas and educating them more, increasing their productivity levels. That alone is enough for China to grow 3-4 more in real terms than the US for another 20 years. And by then, Chinese AI will work for them. China is already the leader in AI adoption, robot density, and whatnot.

Not to mention how CCP could introduce women to have children in their social credit systems with both benefits and penalties.

And it's not like those low-IQ immigrants help the US in any way, they are just a huge social burden above all, not a very productive force.
 
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