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horse

Colonel
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then what's the point?

Yeah exactly.

My feeling is that the war is going badly enough, that the United States is demanding loyalty and unquestioned support from the plebs.

Whip up the anti-China hysteria, so no one will say anything about Ukraine. That gives them a free hand, and not to answer any questions about that war.

If the Americans come with tanks and air-power, that is still no guarantee the NATO side will win.

Russia has probably used just 5 hypersonic missiles in this conflict. They are saving them for NATO targets, inside Ukraine.

That is what everyone wants to see.

American planes in the theater. How the Russians will try to take them out, via integrated air defense and hypersonic bombardment of air bases.

:D
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member
Exactly.

The United States thought that they could bleed Russia to death in the Ukraine.

Since that has not happened, and the rumours of massive Chinese arms to Russia are floating around in the United States, the American panic levels are spiking.

The truth is that Ukraine already lost this war. However, NATO came to the recuse and resupplied them, so the war continues.

How long will NATO persist in this war is a great unknown.

What is really going on, is now NATO is in the business of turning everything they touch into Vietnam quagmires.

Maybe the European people love Vietnam style quagmires far more than the American people ever did. Can't wait until they bring back the draft.

Anything else we hear, that is all noise. All nothing burger propaganda to deflect attention of the fact the next Vietnam is right in Europe.

They deserve it, that propaganda.

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The thing here is assuming that the USA can keep the support going indefinately while their economy implodes and all these infrastructure problems (like in. Ohio doesn’t happen out of the blue at an increased frequency). Right now, Russia economy seems to be improving and while the advances in Ukraine is slow, it is gradual and while ultimately be a permanent gain for Russia. Also does NATO have the ability to continue ending arms to Ukraine while their collective economies are being gutted by the USA and their own bad choices. The longer this war continues, Russia will end up making more gains and more of NATO will end up demilitarised.
One problem I can see now is how the Neo cons in the USA want to escalate the war whilst try where they can not to get a nuclear bulls eye painted on their heads but this is countered by Russia and China pushing the west on an economic front via cutting off Europe for oil and gas (just recently Russia cut oil flows to Poland)
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Along with de-dollarisijg at an increased pace. In the end, Russia will make moves against the USA where appropriate while the USA is running out of options short of nuclear war
 

pmc

Major
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t is clear that the Minsk 2 treaty was designed not to be a lasting plan for peace but rather to buy Ukraine time to arm and radicalize. Based on these facts, let me propose an alternate model:
buy time?. They would have given it proper air force and modern Air defense well ahead of time. seeing how Russian used Attack choppers and missiles in Syria. you can use 500kg ariel bombs.
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This buy time logic is used by Merkel type politicians to to tell the Pro Ukraine lobby how much She loves them that she bought time for them to have post retirement peace. but in reality German system destroyed Ukraine internally. Put it on loans with Turkish construction firms doing the rest of the work.
 

clockwork

Junior Member
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When the Westoids are growing this deranged and delusional - Let me introduce "Atlasia":

He's right. Good luck trying to unite these 13 countries + 1 rebel Chinese province for the sole purpose of "giving an up-yours to China" when pretty much all of their economies are tightly knitted with the Chinese economy:

Seriously, has The Economist in London now left without anyone with factual understandings on the economics of and around China anymore???
"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"
 

pmc

Major
Registered Member
A prolong war is a losing war, in that a prolong war is a losing proposition.

The Americans spent $1 trillion in Afghanstan - to do what? So the Chinese can start mining some copper, under an agreement with the Taliban, the same people who the Americans invaded to overthrow for 9/11 (when the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, but no one objected because the Taliban were too much in those days).

The spent how much in Iraq? Don't know. Of course, the Chinese now own major interests in Iraqi oil fields, and just this week the Iraqi central bank said they will diversify into Yuan.

Some Americans in Washington DC support this war because they own defense stocks. Not that they care about the world or geopolitical situation. They just want to make money for themselves.

Some other poor slob can go die on the battlefield. Suckas!

:D
China definitely gains from this sanction war as it has currency backed by manufacturing goods. so countries will need to keep it in reserves.

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Speaking alongside Lavrov, he added, "We discussed how to deal with these financial dues in light of the sanctions imposed on Russia and in light of the protective measures of Iraqi banks and the Central Bank."
The United States has imposed strict restrictions on dollar transfers to Iraqi banks, with the aim of preventing such transfers to countries under US sanctions such as Iran, Syria and Russia.
 

BlackWindMnt

Captain
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But they also know that if they suffer damage, and China doesn't, they're at a disadvantage in the main contest against China. That is why they want to stop the war - they know Russia has less to lose, they know that they can eventually grind it out to a Russian disadvantage - but cannot achieve decisive strategic victory against Russia. If they can't achieve strategic victory against Russia, then what's the point?

Everything they lose in Ukraine, causes them to be a little weaker against China, whether that be in direct military losses, economic losses, or opportunity losses such as funding MBTs and MLRS that are useless in a Westpac battle.
This should give China every incentive to covertly support Russia with weapons probably via proxies like North Korea, Iran etc. They can offer Intel on troops movement digitally there's no way the US could trace that so you always have plausible deniability. If they US is able to trace it just call it fake news and that the US is a warmonger.

Too me it's seems like a win win situation for Russia and China, sure Russia will bleed a bit but they will win a lot of time this way to secure their geopolitical hold over Afro-Asia(EU do they even matter its Washingtons playground).

Also having Belarus, Russia and Turkiya become the gatekeepers to Asia is a nice thing to control(land and air space access). This can be achieved if Russia can secure the Novo Russia area people talk about and make Ukraine a landlocked nation. Because if Russia loses it probably means they will lose the Donbass and Crimea. That would pretty much mean that the black sea would become a NATO sea.

This pretty much means that the SCO/BRI block will be the biggest block in market size, commodities availability and human capital very important for IP rent seeking. Also the biggest block can always push around the smaller blocks because it has more pieces on the game board to influence how the winds will blow.
 

baykalov

Senior Member
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Merkel & Hollande pretty much admitted that was the case.

Minsk agreement gave us time: Poroshenko
Former Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France, and Germany as president of Ukraine was indeed a distraction intended to buy time for Kyiv to rebuild its military.

He made the remarks in interviews with numerous news outlets, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and Radio Free Europe’s Ukrainian unit. Poroshenko stated, “We had achieved everything we wanted, Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”


French historian Emmanuel Todd: "If the Russian economy offers long-term resistance to the western sanctions ,the European economy will perish. US monetary control of the world will collapse and with it the US ability to finance its huge trade deficit".

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The French historian says that the West is now in an existential conflict

A French historian who accurately predicted the fall of the Soviet Union over a decade in advance says that World War III has already begun as a result of the conflict in Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Figaro last week, the anthropologist and historian claimed that, contrary to the prevailing idea that Russia has more to lose than its liberal opponents, the West, too, has entered into an “existential” conflict.

“It’s obvious that the [Ukraine] conflict, which started as a limited territorial war and escalated to a global economic confrontation between the whole of the West on the one hand and Russia and China on the other hand, has become a world war,” Todd told the French newspaper. He acknowledged that Vladimir Putin had made a miscalculation at the beginning of the conflict, assuming that Ukraine would roll over at the first sign of aggression, but made clear that Russia has itself exceeded expectations, including those of its own people, who “did not anticipate” that they would be able to withstand economic pressure from NATO.

During the interview, he expanded on his thesis, saying that “the resistance of the Russian economy [to sanctions] is pushing the American imperial system towards the precipice.” He added that, if Russia “managed to exhaust the European economy, while maintaining Chinese backing, American monetary and financial controls of the world would collapse, and with them the possibility for the United States to fund their huge trade deficit for nothing.”

The historian largely agreed with the analysis of the international relations professor and proponent of ‘realist’ foreign policy John Mearsheimer that “from their point of view, the Russians are in a war that is defensive and preventive […] Because this is an existential question for them, they will strike back harder.” However, Todd suggested that his American counterpart “overestimates his country” in thinking that the US sees their involvement in Ukraine as “one game of power among others” and that the long-held belief of American exceptionalism is unjustified.

“No more than Russia, [America] cannot withdraw from the conflict, they cannot let go,” Todd claimed, “This is why we are now in an endless war, in a confrontation whose outcome must be the collapse of one or the other.” The additional prospect of China waging a cold war against the West will lead to the rise of developing countries like India, according to the French thinker, while Europe declines.

Despite the US being twice as populated as Russia, Todd said, only 7% of American students focus on engineering, compared to 25% in Russia. “The US fills the gap with foreign students, but they’re mainly Indians and even more Chinese,” he went on, “It is a dilemma of the American economy: it can only face competition from China by importing skilled Chinese labour.”

Additionally, the soft power of American and Western European liberalism is not as appealing as we might think. “For the collective non-West, Russia affirms a reassuring moral conservatism,” Todd noted. Indeed, it is not Putin who is isolated. America and its ideological bedfellows are looking increasingly fragile.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
If there's proof China is thinking of providing lethal assistance, why not show it? How do you have proof of someone thinking about it? It's either done or it's not. It's like when WikiLeaks released US, not Chinese diplomatic cables, written by overseas US diplomats about China, the media for some reason concluded what was said in them had to be true just because they were labeled TOP SECRET. If the random musings of US diplomats who wrote true negative things about China, why did they hide it behind TOP SECRET? Are they going to use their default excuse that China put a gun to their heads? If they found out that China had a plan to rape all white women, wouldn't they want people to know it? And yet somehow... labeled TOP SECRET.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, Americans don't know the meaning of words. They only associate things with others things. So when they say something is TOP SECRET, it must mean it's true because why would it be labeled that way if it were lies? They totally ignore that it was an American diplomat who wrote about what they think. What's to stop a US diplomat from writing China is enslaving Africans right now and they can label it TOP SECRET and then it has to be true. The US can get the world to isolate China and cancelled immediately which is their goal.
 
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