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Mt1701d

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Since you said "I really would like to understand" I will answer you:

An olive branch is just an opportunity to stabilize the situation and start talks. As such, it can be accepted at any time, as nothing is lost by merely opening communication. Further, I would not expect China to ever apologize and nor can we expect Australia to... national leaders don't apologize to other countries usually without major concessions. Morrison needs to look strong to save face. What should China do? China should have just refrained from doing more provocative actions while agreeing to start talks on the list of grievances it released earlier this month. The Australian side was willing to discuss it but claimed China didn't answer the phone.

As far as having a long period of punishment to teach them a lesson... trying to run foreign relations by fear will also breed resentment. Sure in the short term, you may accomplish your goal, but in the long run it will just turn more people against China.
First of all, I fully understand what an olive branch is, and what it is meant to do... however, in order for any overture to be remotely considered an olive branch requires that the party initiating the overture to accept and adopt a position in which they show that they understand and are willing to consider the position of the other side. I don’t expect the PM to apologise publicly since they must save face, but that also doesn’t mean that they can maintain all of their initial positions that cause all the issues in their supposed olive branch official statement, that is not an olive branch but a fake statement designed to appear as if they are being objective and is the victim of unreasonable actions.

If China took this ‘olive branch’ as it were... then it is an admission in the public sphere that China was wrong and there was nothing wrong with Australia’s stance and actions, since nothing has changed. This also shows that there is no will in the Australian government to address any of the grievances. In this case it would instead diminish China negotiating position as, if they don’t accept whatever Australia proposes, then China will be seen as unreasonable by default. By not engaging Australia it shows that China still considers Australia’s stance and actions as unreasonable and will not compromise with Australia until such time that Australia recognises and accepts China’s issue with the Australian stance and actions.

It is not running foreign relations by fear when you are choosing not to engage with the other party whom by verbal and physical conduct is acting and maintaining a hostile and aggressive manner. The recent news of a possible deal with the Philippines is a prefect counterpoint to your statement. By adopting a position that shows they are willing to discuss the issue the Philippines have demonstrated that they are not acting in a hostile and aggressive manner therefore grievances on both sides can be discussed and a compromise can be reached.
 
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OppositeDay

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The next step should be for the NPC to pass a law that gives the foreign ministry the power to bar Chinese citizens from travelling, studying, obtain or maintain residency in specific countries if doing so could endanger personal safety and/or national security. The law doesn’t have to name Australia.
 

solarz

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it is not a photo. It is a piece of CG art!
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It's beyond obvious that this isn't a photo. I feel embarrassed to even have to say this out loud.

So why does the Western media keep saying this is a "fake photo"? Why do hordes of commentators also repeat this blatant lie?

Because they're trying to gaslight the people. If there was any doubt that Western media employs hordes of keyboard warriors, this is it. I cannot fathom anyone claiming the above image was a photo, falsified or not, without there being a paycheck for doing so.

This is seminal. Of all the defenses Western media could have mounted, they settled on calling a deer a horse. This means they are desperate and out of any better options.
 

j17wang

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First of all, I fully understand what an olive branch is, and what it is meant to do... however, in order for any overture to be remotely considered an olive branch requires that the party initiating the overture to accept and adopt a position in which they show that they understand and are willing to consider the position of the other side. I don’t expect the PM to apologise publicly since they must save face, but that also doesn’t mean that they can maintain all of their initial positions that cause all the issues in their supposed olive branch official statement, that is not an olive branch but a fake statement designed to appear as if they are being objective and is the victim of unreasonable actions.

If China took this ‘olive branch’ as it were... then it is an admission in the public sphere that China was wrong and there was nothing wrong with Australia’s stance and actions, since nothing has changed. This also shows that there is no will in the Australian government to address any of the grievances. In this case it would instead diminish China negotiating position as, if they don’t accept whatever Australia proposes, then China will be seen as unreasonable by default. By not engaging Australia it shows that China still considers Australia’s stance and actions as unreasonable and will not compromise with Australia until such time that Australia recognises and accepts China’s issue with the Australian stance and actions.

It is not running foreign relations by fear when you are choosing not to engage with the other party whom by verbal and physical conduct is acting and maintaining a hostile and aggressive manner. The recent news of a possible deal with the Philippines is a prefect counterpoint to your statement. By adopting a position that shows they are willing to discuss the issue the Philippines have demonstrated that they are not acting in a hostile and aggressive manner therefore grievances on both sides can be discussed and a compromise can be reached.

Sorry, but what is this elusive "olive branch" you are talking about?

And also what exactly is this "provocation"? Since when did the west become so sensitive. This looks absolutely saccharine compared to shit you see on Charlie Hebdo every day for fuck sakes.
 

Mt1701d

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Sorry, but what is this elusive "olive branch" you are talking about?

And also what exactly is this "provocation"? Since when did the west become so sensitive. This looks absolutely saccharine compared to shit you see on Charlie Hebdo every day for fuck sakes.
I am not sure where you have issue with what I have said, please elaborate...

I was trying explaining to @gadgetcool5 why Australia’s willingness to talk and discuss with China about China’s recent actions against and grievances with Australia was not an ‘olive branch’ but an obvious and clear attempt to shift the blame on China once again. Also how @gadgetcool5 statement about how ‘nothing is lost by merely opening communication’ is wrong, as such action would diminish China’s negotiating position.

I am unsure where I have been excessively sweet or sentimental?
 

vincent

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It's beyond obvious that this isn't a photo. I feel embarrassed to even have to say this out loud.

So why does the Western media keep saying this is a "fake photo"? Why do hordes of commentators also repeat this blatant lie?

The technique is called control the narrative. It is ingenious really. Instead of describing the art as a meme, they started the whole narrative as evil ChiCom doctored a picture to smear poor ‘Stralia. You have to admire Anglo-Saxon’s propaganda abilities
 

emblem21

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I don't understand why China is being so hostile? After all Scott Morrison just reached out with an olive branch. This is like slapping his hand down. What does China gain from this?
Australia has extended nothing, only trying to tap out because there stupidity in acting as the attack dog the USA has real consequences. Hence australia deserves no pity and Scomo is a cunt who keeps on flip flopping and even that is catching up to him
 
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