I don't care if this can be related to the current discussion or not, just wanna share it here. But let's hope the implied case can hold true.
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manqiangrexue
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Yeah, no problem. Aside from foreign trade, China's domestic economy outperforms all western countries as well.
China is ASEAN's largest trade partner so I don't know what data you're looking at.
That's your imagination. In the real world, Chinese exports far far outstrip Indian exports and they are growing.
Uh, no. Business is business everywhere. You can easily flip this sentence to say, "If even western companies prefer to continue investing in hostile China, when war breaks out, no country will want to invest in the west at this pace and attitude shown."
But it doesn't dare because China has nukes and hypersonic nukes and plenty of them while building more.
This is North Korea style. Chinese style is to get in play the game, and walk away with the winnings. Then come back tomorrow for another game.
In a time when everyone was rural and continuous wars destroyed the economy and kept people in poverty.
In the urban world, good and varied commercial relationships are imperative. The US enslaves half the world and tells them what they can and cannot do, and I don't see China taking the same stance. In a war, the world fears the US, not China.
China needs to increase its army and its soft power. Today the Chinese stance is extremely passive against the US.
It's not really relevant because after the KMT era, the three principles of the people and so on, China moved away from dynastic rule towards popular rule. Even if the KMT wasn't and still isn't efficient in practice, it's the principle, the change in popular consciousness that counts.
From then on, elite rule and especially oligarchic rule became a dirty principle which no government in China wanted to be openly associated with.
The longevity of the government will be based in the status of the people, if people are hopeful, able to contribute to political decisions, getting richer etc.
Efficiency level between properly set up versions feudal rule, capitalist rule and socialist rule are vastly different. In the past, there were rich and powerful Imperial Chinese governments, but in terms of productive forces and social development, they have been behind Europe since the late middle ages.
Now, for the first time in many centuries, has China returned ahead again, and it is showing based on a rising life expectancy, industrial power as well as per capita income, which are more important than raw gdp.
60 years is called 甲子. Except for Yuan, every dynasty that lasted 一甲子 will last for at least 2. And Yuan government arguably could begin with Genghis Khan which gives it another 60 years.
manqiangrexue
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Most of Chinese history, China reined supreme on its own power. It can do so again, except it doesn't have to.
Yah. China = world's largest trading nation.
Obviously. The US shaped the world order after WWII and was hegemonic after the fall of the Soviets while China is rising. China doesn't have the platform to do it nor does it have the parasitic need due to China's own power far dwarving America's.
What does this mean? What war? A China vs US war? A war where the US invades another small muslim country?
LOL Clearly they are a few steps ahead of you.
Soft power comes from hard power. Don't chase it; it will come by itself when you are strong enough.
Firstly, China is the country that benefits from the world continuing as it is because it will outgrow the US if nothing drastic changes so obviously the US will be the one rocking the boat for change while China favors stability. Secondly, American power, while falling in comparison to China's, is still supreme in most places so it can act more aggressive. And lastly, China's path to victory is self-growth because it has the power within, while America's path to victory is diplomatic offensive and sabotage because it doesn not have the power within to compete with China, so of course, America will be more aggressive while China just needs to play defense as it outgrows the US.
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What do you think Belt and Road Initiative is for, and why the West has been working hard to undermine it?
Sheer size in the economy is not overcoming leadership.
China with 1.4 billion people has an obligation to surpass the US with only 330 million in GDP.
But if that growth and GDP still relies on American designs and components, the US still profits and dominates more than China.
China had to invest in its own projects rather than continue with the blind belief that Americans will respect trade and rules. But China still invest and buy dollars of US, so...
manqiangrexue
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This sentence does not make sense.
I don't know why you're writing this to me. Every response I write to you is a point-by-point rebuttal. This here has nothing to do with anything I wrote. I agree of course, but I would never argue or even comment about something so basic and obvious. This is not a response to anything I wrote.
So China will continue to get richer and better-equipped to fuel its ambitions. China would never have gotten to be the absolute titan it is today without using the USD for its own growth. It's about knowing how and when to use what's available to your own benefit and when to dump it that brings success; it's not a reflexive, I-reject-everything-American. Nonetheless, China's holdings of US treasuries is on a sustained decline. China's challenge to the US isn't that it's a bigger North Korea that gives the middle finger to everything American. China's challenge is that it can play every game that America invented to give itself an unfair advantage and somehow come out carving a chunk out of America's lead every time. And so although you personally may not understand this but as long as the CCP is in the planning role, there is no need to fear from China partaking in America's games. We play and we win; we don't avoid the game.
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No. In this position, China will be sanctioned and blocked with printed and worthless dollars in return.
The end of the CR929 was a sight. The Russians want independence from the West, while the Chinese insist on depending on Western components thinking that the Americans would not have the courage yo sanction. In the end, Americans will do anything to stay on top, including going to nukes and poverty itself.