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FriedButter

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In a hypothetical China-North Korea war, China would roll over the entire North Korea in weeks without having to use her own nuclear weapons at all.

It is actually way more stupid then you think. Hypothetical China-North Korea war? Nope… but a hypothetical war between North Korea - South Korea where the North nukes China to prevent a PLA intervention. Does it make sense? No. For whatever reason, the author thinks that the DPRK could nuke China in a war against the US/South Korea.

Thus, the DPRK’s nuclear weapons could be credibly used to try to deter PRC intervention in the context of a DPRK-ROK conventional conflict

Really, RAND and especially Diana the author? Did you forgot that you are working with RAND and not Scholastic Corportaion?

She is a graduate from the RAND institute (RAND Corp). I didn’t even know RAND owned their own private school where the “students” are basically RAND employees as well.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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It is actually way more stupid then you think. Hypothetical China-North Korea war? Nope… but a hypothetical war between North Korea - South Korea where the North nukes China to prevent a PLA intervention. Does it make sense? No. For whatever reason, the author thinks that the DPRK could nuke China in a war against the US/South Korea.

She is a graduate from the RAND institute (RAND Corp). I didn’t even know RAND owned their own private school where the “students” are basically RAND employees as well.
"Yeah, let's nuke my best friend that has been supporting me for the past 70 years just so that he could stay away when I'm in the fight of my life against my arch nemesis, that's gonna work very well."

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Temstar

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It is actually way more stupid then you think. Hypothetical China-North Korea war? Nope… but a hypothetical war between North Korea - South Korea where the North nukes China to prevent a PLA intervention. Does it make sense? No. For whatever reason, the author thinks that the DPRK could nuke China in a war against the US/South Korea.





She is a graduate from the RAND institute (RAND Corp). I didn’t even know RAND owned their own private school where the “students” are basically RAND employees as well.
Her idea is North Korea wants to kick off another war to unify all of Korea, China doesn't like it and tell Kim to stop on pain of military intervention. Kim doesn't listen so instead of a war with South Korea it ends up being a war between PRC and DPRK.

Shilao said this in the video too: it's not wrong per say to day dream about unlikely scenarios and then write military papers on them. US use to have those colour coded war plan for fighting UK and stuff and there's nothing wrong with that other than it being unlikely.

What makes this paper comical is the extremely bizarre starting point for the war. I can come up with a better one right now:

In the future North Korea undergoes their own "reform and open up" economic reform. They encounter their own 4th of June style event and reformers win, kick out the Kim family and takes power and begins to transform the country into more pro-west. Kim runs off to Northern China and China uses him as figurehead to kick off an invasion of North Korea under the premise of restoring socialism from revisionist. North Koreans being historically very resistant against any outside interference in their politics be it China or Soviet Union resist with all their might.

That's still not very likely because it implies China has taken up the
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, something that China was explicitly very against during the Cold War. But hey it did happen in Europe so at least there's plausibility.

Diana Y. Myers can't write that because
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is a Korean-American and the above setup implies that North Korea enjoys greater political autonomy from outside interference than South Korea. We know that's true for all to see, but she either can't say it, or she really believes North Korea is a running dog of China much like South Korea is with US, instead of the relationship being much more equal.
 

AssassinsMace

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This Charles Liu guy comes across as the Asian Jeff Goldblum.

There's something refreshing when you hear an intellectually honest conversation about the world. All you get from the US are pundits and so-called experts that are all Kool-Aid drinkers. They're either dumb or they're desperate and know the world is on the brink of a massive geopolitical shift away from them.
 

solarz

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Says from her probably well lighten and comfortable heated apartment in some nice European city probably using her 1 Gbps internet connection.

Of course she will never advocate for reasonable negotiations to end the war as soon as possible, she looks like more than please to use her own fellow citizens as cannon fodder for the power interest of some groups that are not even Ukrainian.
Just saying.

That's on the level of the Wanwanese using love to generate electricity. :D
 

AssassinsMace

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I saw it previously on r/geopolitics and thought it was pretty ridiculous, but after
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just taking the piss with this I thought I better check this shit out. Conclusion is this is highly entertaining piece of... something from RAND. I'll highlight some passages for a feel:







So basically "see it's not that I'm worried about myself or my dog, I'm actually worried about you! He's nukes could be aimed at you!"
In the West they think wishful thinking is fact. The West loves reverse psychology. The West, South Korea, and Japan need to get China to turn on North Korea now because if they actively do anything, they suffer the consequences including getting nuked. Why would China stop a unilateral invasion of the South for then the North would get angry and nuke China for it. That's an absurd scenario. Here's the scenario if China even cared is if North Korea attacks the South and then the West, South Korea, and Japan will have to spend their resources along with the North. Then wait until North Korea cries to China for help and/or on the brink of collapse and then China moves in and takes over. All the West's tactics and it shouldn't be surprising is have other waste their resources doing what they want so they don't lose a thing. This fantasy serves that objective. Get China scared of North Korea so they do something now to end North Korea for such fiction.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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This looks like something straight outta fantasy-packed copium-pumped wetdream novel.

Seriously though, even if Kim Jong-un has gone boiling mad, he is neither stupid nor suicidal.

The PLA far excels the KPA in basically everything (other than, say, unable to properly feed and equip their own troops) - From warplanes to tanks to warships to missiles + nukes and even EW. In a hypothetical China-North Korea war, China would roll over the entire North Korea in mere weeks without having to use her own nuclear weapons at all.

Even if Kim Jong-un has become insane and idiotic enough to nuke China, so what? China has way more nuclear warheads than North Korea that would easily turn every North Korean city into a massive carpark before rolling their tanks in to occupy the whole country.

Furthermore, North Korea only has a population size that's 1.72% of China's. Losing 25 million people might be a significant yet small dent for Beijing, but losing 25 million would be a catastrophic, nation-ending scenario for Pyongyang.

Beijing might as well annex the former North Korean territory as China's 33rd province after the war has ended.

In fact, it might be much easier for Pyongyang to just fund and sponsor dissent and seperatist movements among ethnic Koreans living near the China-North Korea border instead. But we all know how that would eventually end.

Really, RAND and especially Diana the author? Did you forgot that you are working with RAND and not Scholastic Corportaion?
The probability of North Korea turning on China is much lower than the probability of Japan turning on........

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Chish

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I think the Singapore - Malaysia HSR project will return in due time. Many Malaysians were actually looking forward to that. We all saw the utter stupidity of Mahathir and Lim Guan Eng for cancelling that project. Mahathir even said: "We don't need it". Bravo, you smart ass. Not only did Malaysia lost a HSR project, it had to pay $75+mil to Singapore in termination fee. To all those idiots in Malaysia who called that move by Mahathir a 'masterstroke', you can all go and eat s**t.

That HSR would have cut the land-journey time between Kuala-Lumpur to Singapore from 3 hours to 1.5hours. Mahathir didn't like that, because his friends in the airline industry is gonna lose alot of that sweet KL-SG route business. He also wanted to poke Singapore in the eye, because he just hates Singapore for no good reason other than his hatred for the Chinese race. The result? Indonesia will be the 1st ASEAN nation with true HSR. Thailand will be second. But Malaysia gets left out and lose $75+mil in the process.

That HSR would have enabled Malaysians from Kuala Lumpur to travel to Singapore in the morning, and then return in the evening for dinner. All without flying. People could conveniently commute between KL and Singapore for work, and travel. But Mahathir, in his infinite wisdom said that Malaysians didn't need it. Anwar is much more pragmatic than Mahathir. He is also much less antagonistic of other countries, so I do suspect that the KL-Singapore HSR project will eventually come back.
I thought Laos was first Asian country with a running HSR system though max speed is 160 kmh.
What qualifies as a HSR?
 
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