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supersnoop

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Again, imagine the "fuck China" threads, twitter "fuck china" threads, if it was Chinese instead of Russian.

People probably pin the blame on Chinese if they can't find the perpetrators anyway.

Reading some of the comments on stories about this news. I don't see why people think Americans are letting Russia off the hook. If anything, this only reinforces the prevailing Cold War mentality. I saw people calling for war against Russia even though it seems this was a organized crime play. When this was pointed out, the typical response is "Russian organized crime is directly linked to Putin".

Hi emblem21,

Great summary, but this is my view, SKorea will stay neutral if there is a conflict between the US and China, they are very patriotic, share a similar culture with China, so there is an affinity between the 2 countries. For such a small nation it is able to pursue an independent course of action ,which Japan cant able to do. The US due to WW2 had really put a leash on Japan, they will never forget the early defeat they had suffered especially from an ASIAN nation. I hope Japan the best, I like its people and its culture and share its dream of becoming a normal country again, after all we are all Asian.

Regarding Decoupling, China is not afraid from decoupling with the US, it is happening anyway, what it want is an orderly process to do so. That's why she is not retaliating, she is planning ahead for the eventuality. When you are planning for a major policy shift, you need to put your house in order first. The America decoupling strategy is flawed, it's emotion based without any concrete plan of action. As somebody on this forum had stated "dont interrupt your opponent when he/she is making a mistake"

I don't think SK has much affinity to China at this point. Being USA's close ally has pretty much beaten this out of them. The poor experience of Joseonjok (ethnic Koreans from China) who are seen as "fake Koreans" or "Korean speaking Chinese" is telling. I would say the only reason that they are able to be more pragmatic than Japan (even though both countries ultimately rely on the USA for their ultimate security), is that even the Americans know it is impossible to bridge the colonial history. Modern Japan trying to destroy Korean people/culture is hard to get over. Even dynasties of China didn't do that. If USA tried to push a full tri-lateral alliance between themselves, Japan, and SK, the backlash would push SK into China's influence beyond economics.

The China-US "decoupling" is basically fake news. The so-called "decoupling" is simply additional layers of abstraction rather than any actual decoupling. The "shift" to India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, for electronics assembly work, it is still the same Chinese/Taiwanese companies simply relocating tooling. Luxshare (one of Apple's top suppliers) HQ is in China, but they opened a plant in Vietnam and Malaysia, so the news likes to portray it as decoupling.
 

ansy1968

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Reading some of the comments on stories about this news. I don't see why people think Americans are letting Russia off the hook. If anything, this only reinforces the prevailing Cold War mentality. I saw people calling for war against Russia even though it seems this was a organized crime play. When this was pointed out, the typical response is "Russian organized crime is directly linked to Putin".



I don't think SK has much affinity to China at this point. Being USA's close ally has pretty much beaten this out of them. The poor experience of Joseonjok (ethnic Koreans from China) who are seen as "fake Koreans" or "Korean speaking Chinese" is telling. I would say the only reason that they are able to be more pragmatic than Japan (even though both countries ultimately rely on the USA for their ultimate security), is that even the Americans know it is impossible to bridge the colonial history. Modern Japan trying to destroy Korean people/culture is hard to get over. Even dynasties of China didn't do that. If USA tried to push a full tri-lateral alliance between themselves, Japan, and SK, the backlash would push SK into China's influence beyond economics.

The China-US "decoupling" is basically fake news. The so-called "decoupling" is simply additional layers of abstraction rather than any actual decoupling. The "shift" to India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, for electronics assembly work, it is still the same Chinese/Taiwanese companies simply relocating tooling. Luxshare (one of Apple's top suppliers) HQ is in China, but they opened a plant in Vietnam and Malaysia, so the news likes to portray it as decoupling.
Hi supersnoop

Yup, you are correct regarding SK and Japan, but SK also rely on China as a deterrent from NK, they both want stability in the Korean peninsula and also Beijing help/approval for the eventual unification.
 

Gatekeeper

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Continuation of this sorry saga. Now it is reported the boys mum took him 20 miles to "protect" properties, and took him after walking right past the police.

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Mum in full gear

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Meanwhile, justification on the killing because the people killed are low-life, and a communist!

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tamsen_ikard

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Bottom line the US and Japan is afraid of a unified Korean peninsula under Beijing influence.


And Beijing will never allow a unified Korean Peninsula under South Korean control. And they will never tolerate a South Korea that is pro-western and democratic. It will have to change its culture and governance. Otherwize it will see influence operations and even coups instigated by Beijing. Obviously, such actions are long way off since China is still focusing on getting rich. But once it becomes as rich as Japan or France, then the real game starts. China will make sure to kick out all pro-western forces out of its backyard. So, Japan and Korea will have to change from a democracy to autocracy that is pro-China or get into serious military and economic pressure from China.

China will certainly ensure its own security by creating its version of the monroe doctrine.
 

SimaQian

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And Beijing will never allow a unified Korean Peninsula under South Korean control. And they will never tolerate a South Korea that is pro-western and democratic. It will have to change its culture and governance. Otherwize it will see influence operations and even coups instigated by Beijing. Obviously, such actions are long way off since China is still focusing on getting rich. But once it becomes as rich as Japan or France, then the real game starts. China will make sure to kick out all pro-western forces out of its backyard. So, Japan and Korea will have to change from a democracy to autocracy that is pro-China or get into serious military and economic pressure from China.

China will certainly ensure its own security by creating its version of the monroe doctrine.
China will never force, coerce any country to change to authorithartian rule. The Chinese leaders after Mao already abandoned the Communist ideology export. The communist rule that we see today in China, is not the same communist ideals as it was during the Stalin or Mao era. The democracy communist divide is not central anymore to Chinese policies. What we are seeing now is an evolution to scientific governance on how to solve humanity common problems.

This is exemplified with the Belt and road initiative. China lend its own money to democratic and authoritharian countries alike. China will not gain anything for any government change, except chaos instability and war, just like what we see in afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria,.. that US and its allies forced change their governments.

There is no Chinese version of something like this. American general telling the truth of american war plans in middle east. There is no oil in their korea or japan.

 

tamsen_ikard

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China will never force, coerce any country to change to authorithartian rule. The Chinese leaders after Mao already abandoned the Communist ideology export. The communist rule that we see today in China, is not the same communist ideals as it was during the Stalin or Mao era. The democracy communist divide is not central anymore to Chinese policies. What we are seeing now is an evolution to scientific governance on how to solve humanity common problems.

This is exemplified with the Belt and road initiative. China lend its own money to democratic and authoritharian countries alike. China will not gain anything for any government change, except chaos instability and war, just like what we see in afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria,.. that US and its allies forced change their governments.

There is no Chinese version of something like this. American general telling the truth of american war plans in middle east. There is no oil in their korea or japan.



I'm a realist. All countries behave the same way when they have power, which means they try to maximize their influence and dominance while reducing threats. China does BRI because it is in its interest, and so that it can expand its influence. It is also reducing threats by diversifying transportation resources through land instead of just the sea.

China focuses on economics because it is still poor and knows that it needs to become rich and technologically advanced first if they want to become equal to the western countries. In this world, Just 1 billion European-Euro settled population control 50% of world GDP and 80% of world wealth. There is no way China can become bold in its strategic objectives as long this huge gap in power remains.

As the rest of the world rises up, China included, they will surely pursue their interest with more gusto. Which means any country that acts as the vassal of the west will not be tolerated. They will be either forced to change through pressure or through war. China will never allow hostile countries like Japan and South Korea to exist unless they fundamentally change their mindset and accept China as the rightful hegemon of East Asia and accept Chinese culture as world's number 1. As long as they don't, Tension will remain and China will feel threats from them. So, it will naturally use force of economics and military against them. How this plays out will depend on how rich China gets relative to the west. If China remains poorer than the west, it will be humble and use economics as its main influence and focus on getting rich. But if they become equal or even richer, they will be more bolder in their use of power. This trend towards Chinese domination of east Asia is inevitable unless China stops growing or China breaks apart.
 
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