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Jeff Head

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Now I do respect your opinion my friend, but the UN has not resolved anything major. We still have conflicts and such, the UN might as well be disbanded if it can't be consistent with its ability to resolve differences and issues. The US and China has done a lot to help their own people and other's around the world. China especially IMHO had uplifted more than 600 - 800 million of its own people out of poverty. I mean (no offense to anyone) that accomplishment is NOT easy to do, that is far better than any country, god, or general world assembly could ever do in the entire history of man kind. To have a small country dictating by bringing down the bigger country to it's level all just to feel more equal is just a bad joke when they know inside their minds and heart that they have a far serious issues to deal at home.
I agree with you have said in this post.

The US and China are major, respected, and huge supporters (in terms of money, men and material) of the UN. If they are going to continue as members, and to uphold and support the organization, then they have to act reasonably and respectfully when dealing with the various commissions that are put in place by the organization that they are members of and of which they are among the four or five most critical members.

So...if a commission issues a scathing report...handle it in a manner that shows that they are committed to the organization, and while certainly not rolling over for it...does something other than rejects it out of hand. Review the info, then give a factual, documented, rebuttal to it.

This is what I mean by saying that China has to have a thicker skin if it wants to be recognized as a world-wide leader, particularly in such an world-wide organization.

Equation said:
The level of hypocrisy and pretentious self righteousness at such a level is hard to tolerate.
Yes is it. but the best way to handle it is through reason and documented evidence to the contrary that is then put out there itself for all of the world to see.

The US has had to do this on countless occasions.

This does not mean that China or the US cow tows to the UN. Clearly as leaders they set the direction in many areas, and in areas where there is fundamental disagreement, both nations can (and do) go their own way when necessary.

But when a report like this comes from the UN...the best way to handle it is to remain calm and carefully and factually discount it.

Even if it is wrong and hypocritical...if a nation that is accused comes out swinging and shouting in the face of such a report...and does not calmly and factually refute it...then other nations are going to wonder if there is something to the report even when there clearly may be nothing to it at all.

That's all I am saying.
 
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... From there the gas is to flow through Greece, ...

it's from the end of the last week, but I think it's even more interesting now in connection to what I posted here today:
Greek energy minister unveils plan for €2bn gas deal with Russia
Greece has mapped out details of a planned landmark €2bn gas project with Russia in a move that could stir tensions with Brussels just as Athens is seeking a third bailout.

Panayotis Lafazanis, the firebrand leftist energy minister, presented preliminary plans for the project to Greek energy executives in Athens on Thursday in a defiant speech, vowing the government would not be pushed around by EU institutions.

EU policy makers are concerned that Russia could take advantage of the crisis to pull Greece deeper into its orbit, and pipeline politics is critical to relations between the two nations.

Athens and Moscow say the new project, the so-called South European Pipeline, will bring 47bn cubic metres annually of Gazprom’s gas into Europe after 2018. Mr Lafazanis — the political patron of Greece’s biggest public sector company, the Public Power Corporation, which holds a near-monopoly of its electricity market — pledged it would create 20,000 much-needed jobs in Greece.

The promised deal with Russia is a sharp rebuke to Brussels, which wants to reduce EU dependence on Gazprom and argues that southeastern Europe should diversify its supply by prioritising gas from Azerbaijan.

Opening his remarks with pugnacious references to the eurozone crisis, Mr Lafazanis said Greece was aiming to secure a deal with Brussels as quickly as possible. But he warned EU institutions that Athens was not about to roll over.

“Greece is no one’s hostage,” he said. “The Greek people’s No vote, and I am referring to all of the people, is not going to become a humiliating Yes. Greece is not, under threat of execution, ready to accept any fait accompli.”

He said an energy deal with Russia was an important component in Greece’s “multi-faceted” foreign policy.

Mr Lafazanis is the leader of the governing Syriza coalition’s radical leftist faction, and political analysts predict he could seek to whip up political opposition to Alexis Tsipras if he opposes any deal struck by the Greek prime minister.

The planned Greek gas deal comes after Russia late last year dropped its landmark South Stream project that was intended to bring 63bn cu m into the EU, bypassing Ukraine by running under the Black Sea to Bulgaria. Moscow has rebranded the project as Turkish Stream, which would export the same volume to the southern coast of the Black Sea and then to Greece. Industry experts are sceptical that the Turkish project can be built and financed in the next few years.

Brussels opposed South Stream because it ran against EU competition rules that prevent Gazprom from dominating both upstream gas supply and distribution. The European Commission insists any pipeline across Greece will face the same competition restrictions.

To diversify away from Gazprom, the EU is throwing its political weight behind the Trans-Adriatic Pipeline, partly owned by BP. This is expected to pipe 10bn cubic metres of Azeri gas from the Turkish-Greek border to southern Italy by 2020.

Mr Lafazanis said he supported both projects but stressed that he also had specific demands regarding TAP, including compensation for farmers affected by the pipeline and benefits for communities nearby. “We hope that the management of TAP will respond to our demands,” he said.
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delft

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don't forget about Greeks themselves :) today's afternoon article:
Tsipras faces SYRIZA mutiny after Greece capitulates to demands

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Opinions on the BBC news program PM, that is now ending, are varied. Someone said that some measures were economically irrelevant but are introduced to humiliate the Greeks. Let's wait for the Greek parliament to speak.
 

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Opinions on the BBC news program PM, that is now ending, are varied. Someone said that some measures were economically irrelevant but are introduced to humiliate the Greeks. Let's wait for the Greek parliament to speak.

Chances are slim IMO that this would get pass by the Greek parliament any time soon. The Greek citizens are way too angry for anyone from Parliament to risk their political career by abiding to that unfair austerity terms.
 

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Back to bottling my Grenache
 
... Let's wait for the Greek parliament to speak.
ongoing:
Greek PM Tsipras scrambles to push through economic reforms
Members of Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras' government have been holding talks before putting a raft of economic reforms to parliament. Lawmakers need to approve the measures for Greece to receive a third bailout.

Prime Minister Tsipras met with members of his left-wing Syriza party behind closed doors on Tuesday, in a bid to convince them to back a
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in return for a new economic bailout from the institutions formerly known as the troika - the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund.

The prime minister could be facing revolt from several members of Syriza, which swept to power in snap elections in January by promising not just to refrain from passing new austerity measures, but to roll back those introduced by previous governments.

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Tsipras pledged to get economic reforms demanded by Greece's creditors through parliament by the end of Wednesday, so that negotiations on a bailout worth as much as 85 billion euros ($95 billion) can begin.

The legislation is expected to pass, as the opposition conservative New Democracy party, the pro-European To Potami, and the PASOK Socialists have all said they would support it.

Opposition from within

However, a significant number of the 149 Syriza lawmakers in parliament could vote against the agreement, with many publicly expressing their opposition.

Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis called on the prime minister to reverse his position on the reforms - and the bailout

"The deal ... is unacceptable and does not deserve to be charged to a radical political party such as Syriza, and a battling government that promised to abolish ... austerity," he said in a statement published on his ministry's website. Germany, he charged, had treated Greece "as if it was their colony and [behaved] as brutal blackmailers and 'financial assassins.'"

There has been speculation in the Greek media that as many as 40 of Syriza's 149 members of parliament could vote against the legislation.

Support also was not assured from the 13 members of parliament from Syriza's right wing allies the Independent Greeks.

Qualified support

Their leader, Defense Minister Panos Kammenos said his party would support the government, but he also said that it would not approve measures that hadn't been agreed in Athens prior to Sunday's emergency eurozone summit. He also described Monday's deal as a "coup in the heart of Europe."

"They want the government to fall and to replace it with one that hasn't been voted on by the Greek people," he said.

So while Tsipras appears set to get the legislation through parliament, the future of his anti-austerity government is far from clear. There has even speculation, including by Germany's mass-circulation daily "Bild" that after getting the bailout deal ratified, Tsipras could be forced to step down.
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Chances are slim IMO that this would get pass by the Greek parliament any time soon. The Greek citizens are way too angry for anyone from Parliament to risk their political career by abiding to that unfair austerity terms.

bro Equation (just like three days after):
Greece debt crisis: Eurozone deal laws backed by MPs
Greek MPs have approved tough economic measures required to enable an €86bn eurozone bailout deal to go ahead.

The legislation includes tax rises and an increase in the retirement age.

Two hundred and twenty nine lawmakers voted Yes, 64 voted No and six abstained. Half of the No votes came from the governing Syriza party.

Ahead of the vote, protesters threw petrol bombs at police during an anti-austerity protest close to parliament, and police responded with tear gas.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras had said he did not believe in the deal, but nonetheless urged MPs to approve the measures.

He said he was willing to implement the "irrational" proposals to avoid the collapse of the banks and disaster for Greece.

In a passionate speech just before the vote, Mr Tsipras told parliament: "The Greek people are fully conscious and can understand the difference between those who fight in an unfair battle and those who just hand in their weapons."

The vote passed despite 32 of his ruling left-wing Syriza party voting No and six more abstaining.

Among the No voters was parliamentary Speaker Zoe Constantopoulo, who walked out during the debate, before returning to make a fiery speech condemning a "very black day for democracy in Europe".

Former finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, who resigned on 6 July, also voted against the package, having written a
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about the bailout deal earlier.

The measures passed comfortably - but not without a major rebellion within the government.

Thirty-eight of the prime minister's MPs refused to back the deal, with the speaker of parliament calling it "social genocide".

Alexis Tsipras said he'd had to choose between a deal he didn't believe in or chaotic default. He has been weakened and will now need a reshuffle or a vote of confidence.

Meanwhile eurozone finance ministers will hold a conference call today to discuss the next steps in the bailout. Of immediate concern is how to fill Greece's short-term cash needs, with the country facing a big payment to the IMF next week.

It could be financed from an EU-wide fund, which Britain opposes. And so there's still a long road ahead. But one big obstacle here has been cleared.

More than half of the members of Syriza's central committee signed a statement condemning the bailout agreement, describing it as a coup against their nation by European leaders.

Opponents of the deal took to the streets of Athens ahead of the vote, and unions and trade associations representing civil servants, municipal workers and pharmacy owners held strike action.

The possible bailout was agreed in Brussels on Monday by eurozone members, though one of Greece's creditors, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), has suggested in a report that it does not go far enough - and that Greece will need some of its debts to be written off.

Greece's economy has shrunk by 25% in the last five years amid austerity measures designed to curtail its ballooning public sector debt.

In order to begin negotiations over a third bailout worth €86bn (£61bn; $95bn) over three years, Greek MPs needed to approve measures including:
  • The ratification of the
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  • VAT changes including a top rate of 23% to take in processed food and restaurants and; a 13% rate to cover fresh food, energy bills, water and hotel stays; and a 6% rate for medicines and books
  • The abolition of the VAT discount of 30% for Greek islands
  • A corporation tax rise from 26% to 29% for small companies
  • A luxury tax rise on big cars, boats and swimming pools
  • And end to early retirement by 2022 and a retirement age increase to 67
As parliamentary committees considered the details of the laws, deputy finance minister and Syriza member Nadia Valavani announced her resignation, saying: "I'm not going to vote for this amendment, and this means I cannot stay in the government."

Greek Finance Minister Euclid Tsakalotos told MPs: "Monday was most difficult day of my life. It's a decision that will weigh on me for rest of my life. We had no choice."

He added: "We never said this was a good agreement."

And tempers flared when Mr Varoufakis was heckled with shouts of "You got us here" while addressing one committee.

The jeers came when he said he doubted the deal could work, and compared it to the conditions imposed on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles after World War One.

Meanwhile, French MPs have overwhelmingly backed the Greek bailout deal. Because of their constitutions, several eurozone members,
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, must ratify the deal in their parliaments before it can proceed.

Banks stay shut
Greece faces an immediate cash crisis. Banks have been shut since 29 June.

Mr Tsipras has warned banks are unlikely to reopen until the bailout deal is ratified, and this could take another month.

The European Commission has formally proposed a short-term €7bn loan for Greece through the EU-wide European Financial Stability Mechanism (EFSM).

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and other countries which are not part of the euro but are European Union members.

One British official in Brussels told the BBC the UK government had no objection in principle to the use of the EFSM - as long as British taxpayers' money was ring-fenced from any liability.

Valdis Dombrovskis, a senior European Commission official, said it was working to protect non-euro states from any negative financial consequences should the loan not be repaid.

'Need for debt help'
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was written before the eurozone reached a deal with Greece in the early hours of Monday. It was shared with eurozone leaders in advance, but made public only on Tuesday.

It predicts that, in two years' time, Greek debt will reach close to 200% of GDP (national income) which could "only be made sustainable through debt relief measures that go far beyond what Europe has been willing to consider so far".

It recommends a "very dramatic extension" on the maturity of Greece's debts, "with grace periods of, say, 30 years on the entire stock of European debt".

"Other options," it says, "include explicit annual transfers to the Greek budget or deep upfront haircuts (debt write-offs)".

Germany, the largest contributor to Greek rescue funds, and a number of other eurozone countries have long resisted any talk of haircuts and debt relief.

The European Commission published its own assessment on Wednesday, taking a more optimistic view of Greece's debt sustainability than the IMF but also suggesting debt relief.

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says rescheduling the debt is possible, but only if Greece implements the reforms being demanded by its creditors. It rules out debt write-offs.
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The Greek parliament accepted a proposal it couldn't refuse. The model of Brussels shows the Greek economy reviving because everyone will trust it will revive. But will it?
 
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