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ansy1968 said:
@Coalescence bro his economy will be the first victim if China create it's own Semiconductor eco system, how many big countries did the collective west sanction, from those China had a ready market to focus on plus us in the Global South, so who isolate who...lol
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If any of their economy are reliant on high-tech industry in the future, they'll likely get overshadowed by China, nothing will stop China's quest to move up the value chain. I'm not afraid of their efforts to isolate China, because it going to be extremely difficult and near impossible to pull off. What I'm annoyed of is they are trying to pull a regional version of WTO, trying to restrict China's growth and freedom to pursue its own economic model, by imposing "standards" and "rules".

All China can do is try to convince them to make exemptions, create alternative economic organizations to get them to join, individually make trade agreements to bypass whatever "standard" requirements they make and many other strategies which all annoyingly need administrative resources and time to execute. It would be better to focus on the other regions for now, to gain leverages and spend less for the benefit, as they would likely do a hard negotiation tactics by using the agreement with US as leverage. But that's not to say they should give up or reduce their attention on the region.
 
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Coalescence said:
If any of their economy are reliant on high-tech industry in the future, they'll likely get overshadowed by China, nothing will stop China's quest to move up the value chain. I'm not afraid of their efforts to isolate China, because it going to be extremely difficult and near impossible to pull off. What I'm annoyed of is they are trying to pull a regional version of WTO, trying to restrict China's growth and freedom to pursue its own economic model, by imposing "standards" and "rules".

All China can do is try to convince them to make exemptions, create alternative economic organizations to get them to join, individually make trade agreements to bypass whatever "standard" requirements they make and many other strategies which all annoyingly need administrative resources and time to execute. It would be better to focus on the other regions for now, to gain leverages and spend less for the benefit, as they would likely do a hard negotiation tactics by using the agreement with US as leverage. But that's not to say they should give up or reduce their attention on the region.
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@Coalescence bro whether China want it or not the world will be divided into 2 blocs, the fight is in the Global South, whom to choose, Milktea or Koolaid, they will decide the standard and from geostrategic situation, the west hold is tenuous , Iran (90 million), Russia (140 million) the Gulf state and China (1.4 billion) alone have nearly 1.6 billion consumers while the collective west as a whole with the inclusion of SK and Japan had nearly 750 million with diminishing purchasing power. ASEAN will inclined to join the Eastern Bloc with the simple reason that the Chinese walk the walk and it's her neighbor and proximity counts. That is what the Collective West can't understand, we Orientals know how to deal and settle our differences, we don't need an interloper to mediate among ourselves.
 
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Coalescence said:
If any of their economy are reliant on high-tech industry in the future, they'll likely get overshadowed by China, nothing will stop China's quest to move up the value chain. I'm not afraid of their efforts to isolate China, because it going to be extremely difficult and near impossible to pull off. What I'm annoyed of is they are trying to pull a regional version of WTO, trying to restrict China's growth and freedom to pursue its own economic model, by imposing "standards" and "rules".

All China can do is try to convince them to make exemptions, create alternative economic organizations to get them to join, individually make trade agreements to bypass whatever "standard" requirements they make and many other strategies which all annoyingly need administrative resources and time to execute. It would be better to focus on the other regions for now, to gain leverages and spend less for the benefit, as they would likely do a hard negotiation tactics by using the agreement with US as leverage. But that's not to say they should give up or reduce their attention on the region.
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If I look at the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework, it's a lot of talk and very little (if any) substance so far.

And if I look at the QUAD, if they make progress on infrastructure projects , that will benefit China since it is the world's largest trading nation and also largest exporter of manufactured goods. But I doubt the QUAD will manage much economically. The signature billion dose vaccine drive announced in March 2021 is an example. At the time, it was the highest profile and most important project around, yet nothing has actually happened since then.

The thing is that most of Asia is still hedging, because they know that China (by itself) is/will potentially be far more important economically than any bloc of countries led by the US
 
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AndrewS said:
If I look at the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework, it's a lot of talk and very little (if any) substance so far.

And if I look at the QUAD, if they make progress on infrastructure projects , that will benefit China since it is the world's largest trading nation and also largest exporter of manufactured goods. But I doubt the QUAD will manage much economically. The signature billion dose vaccine drive announced in March 2021 is an example. At the time, it was the highest profile and most important project around, yet nothing has actually happened since then.

The thing is that most of Asia is still hedging, because they know that China (by itself) is/will potentially be far more important economically than any bloc of countries led by the US
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I mean, are we surprised?

I still remember all the previous such plans: Build Back Better World, Global Gateway, Blue Dot Network, remember all those?
 
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Coalescence

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Temstar said:
I mean, are we surprised?

I still remember all the previous such plans: Build Back Better World, Global Gateway, Blue Dot Network, remember all those?
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We still shouldn't underestimate them however, they almost managed to got TPP passed but thanks to Comrade Trump, it didn't materialize into an anti-China bloc. Fortunately, China is in a better position now, economically and geopolitically, giving her more leverage and weight to counter their moves and advance her own interest.
 
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I hope you guys dun have to get too agitated. US does wat it does. When the dust settles, we see a clearer picture. It's been discussed before pesky Singapore status in all this. The countries in south East Asia. Those in East Asia. I sincerely doubt any of them want war. Most do not want to choose US over china or to exclude China. China is way too important. And who knows when trump likely sends Biden to retirement what would happen. Will he undo all the stuff biden tried like he did to Obama.. So let us wait patiently.
 
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This is new.. Shanghai lockdown being blamed for shortage of medical contrast dyes.
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Those silly convicts don't have simple medical supplies?

Speaking of which, the ball's in your court convicts, drop the anti-China racist policies, be less of Amerikkka's slave, then we'll talk...

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