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Brigadier
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From an economic point of view, I don’t know why we see people in twitter celebrating trade deficit with US increasing. Western nation basically froze 400B of Russian foreign currency reserve in an instant. They won’t hesitate to freeze 4T of Chinese foreign reserve in a blink of an eye during conflict. Atbest Moody and S&P will downgrade US bonds from AAA to AA.
If you owe a bank 10,000$ its your own problem,
But if you owe 10,000,000$ to bank, then its your Bank’s problem to get back money.

Basically Western nation enjoyed a high standard of living for last 25 years issuing cheques they didn’t intended to pay at all. While Chinese boomers saved money working hard 24/7 that they are uncertain to cash out when they want.
so in a way China has been taken economic hostage by western power. You can’t buy any western companies or technology due to laws. Neither can you dump all those treasury bills to other buyers for loss, as there is no other big buyers as such.

That’s why trades should be balanced. This huge trade imbalance will definately be giving sleepless night to economic planners. And China isn’t even capable militarily to collect its debt. I wonder what CCP economic planners are thinking right now.
How much FDI do US companies have in China? Value of Chinese leased US owned assets? What about the total value of their patent licenses?
 

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Warren Buffett gives his most expansive explanation for why he doesn’t believe in bitcoin​

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The Oracle of Omaha is always prescient on money and capital. Seeing Warren and Charlie are still up there doing what they have been doing well in the past 5+ decades is really encouraging. They are part of the reasons US is the hyper-power. And they are what capitalists are supposed to be.
 

siegecrossbow

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Very interesting. Saudi Arabian elites are selling their assets in the USA and Europe. I really wonder if America's and Europe's arbitrary seizures of Afghan and Russian assets have anything to do with this, especially considering that Saudi Arabia started cooperating with China more.
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If Uncle Sam is short on cash they’ll just pull a Kashogi clause and confiscate all the Saudi assets. Everything is fair game now.
 

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Civilians flee Azovstal bunkers in evacuation led by U.N.​


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It has "under-table deal" written all over it. Xi better be careful now if Putin did not send heads-up. Given chance, old Europe and Russia still want to be in bed.
 

HereToSeePics

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If the shits hit the fan, US 1.1 T or so T-bills and US equity in those Chinese VIE structures would be a wash. Big question is if a large chunk of about US 8T or so of M2 circulating outside US would be deleted overnight, as a consequence of US deleting the entry for 1.1 T in their M0. So that'd be something interesting to watch, as unintended consequences are bound to happen. The remaining US 2 T would be quite tricky to handle as well, cumulative FDI, foreign trade payables and receivables, etc, so US dollar M2 circulating outside to grease the wheel of global commerce would have a big sucking giant hole - the death of dollar curse, or at least a definitive beginning of it? That's not even mentioning who would be holding the bags in all these related ensuing derivatives.

I generally agree, if China's ~1T in US bonds and 2T in FX reserves were sanctioned, it would essentially mean nearly all other Chinese assets(both private and owned by companies) in American/NATO counties will be at risk. The economic shock would be immeasurable on a global scale. But this kind of decoupling won't happen overnight, we'll see plenty of signs of smaller "red lines" being crossed from both sides before this happens. And the stock markets will surely pay attention to the smaller news events and go into a sell off before this happens especially the with Ukraine conflict fresh in every trader's minds. You'll also see gold and silver prices start skyrocketing. I'm hoping the politicians in the US will step back from escalation when the see the DOW drop by 1000-2000 points each day for a week straight.

At the end of the day, it just doesn't matter for China one way or the other as the end goal is far bigger than a dozen zeros. As long as China has internal consumer market large enough to support its R&D, science and technology, she'll be fine.

I personally feel that it does matter a lot because the preverbal phrase "time=money and money=time" can't be more relevant. The bottom line is that each US dollar China that has in a bond(or in reserves) represents a loan that a Chinese worker made to the United States. That worker sacrificed(exchanged) his/her time, blood, sweat and energy to manufacture something that got sold to the United States in exchange for an IOU(US dollar). It is a unit of labor that the Chinese worker put into making an iPhone so an American consumer can have the phone now without putting in a unit of labor himself. To dismiss the 1-2T of USD reserves as a wash is a slap in the face of generations of Chinese workers who worked hard and loaned someone their time with the promise that they will get a similar unit of time back to them for their retirement, for a vacation, to help their children, to live a better life in the future that they sacrificed earlier for.

The only solution I can foresee to protect China's currency assets would be for China to declare publicly and reinforced though diplomatic channels what their USD currency reserves mean to the people of China and that any sanctions against their FX reserves/bonds constitutes an open declaration of military war and will result in a 100% assured M.A.D. outcome. This will be more of a draw/stalemate, and create a status quo, which sometimes is a rather elegant solution in itself.
 
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pmc

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The only reason OPEC+ does not treat Europe like Japan is that European engineering is the basis of whole Global energy/transport/food complex. but it does not mean that all those in OPEC+ will not reduce asset exposure to EU but not enough to cause a sudden collapse. it is in both US and China interest to save European engineering. because the impact on both US and Asia will be huge if European Engineering goes down for what ever reason in this Ukraine conflict.
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zgx09t

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I generally agree, if China's ~1T in US bonds and 2T in FX reserves were sanctioned, it would essentially mean nearly all other Chinese assets(both private and owned by companies) in American/NATO counties will be at risk. The economic shock would be immeasurable on a global scale. But this kind of decoupling won't happen overnight, we'll see plenty of signs of smaller "red lines" being crossed from both sides before this happens. And the stock markets will surely pay attention to the smaller news events and go into a sell off before this happens especially the with Ukraine conflict fresh in every trader's minds. You'll also see gold and silver prices start skyrocketing. I'm hoping the politicians in the US will step back from escalation when the see the DOW drop by 1000-2000 points each day for a week straight.



I personally feel that it does matter a lot because the preverbal phrase "time=money and money=time" can't be more relevant. The bottom line is that each US dollar China that has in a bond(or in reserves) represents a loan that a Chinese worker made to the United States. That worker sacrificed(exchanged) his/her time, blood, sweat and energy to manufacture something that got sold to the United States in exchange for an IOU(US dollar). It is a unit of labor that the Chinese worker put into making an iPhone so an American consumer can have the phone now without putting in a unit of labor himself. To dismiss the 1-2T of USD reserves as a wash is a slap in the face of generations of Chinese workers who worked hard and loaned someone their time with the promise that they will get a similar unit of time back to them for their retirement, for a vacation, to help their children, to live a better life in the future that they sacrificed earlier for.

The only way I can foresee a solution(or stalemate/draw) would be for China to declare publicly and reinforced though diplomatic channels what their USD currency reserves mean and that any sanctions against their FX reserves/bonds constitutes an open declaration of military war and will result in a 100% assured M.A.D. outcome.

I don't think you caught the drift that US has been consistently telegraphing the whole wide world it's a privilege to use dollars, not rights. The notion of time=money is simply ridiculous within the context of the existing fact that most of the OECD effective rates are in the negative territory. All these time and money, and blood and sweat sounds all nice and convincing, but once the chips are down, all of them get thrown out the doors at the very first minute. How about Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela, Russia, etc? It's their blood and sweat too. What can they do about it? So far not a lot, hence the implied notion a privilege, not a right. So face the reality and don't delude oneself with those true, but practically empty slogans. For sure, China has to back it up with her military might to make it a right, an actual IOU, not a privilege, just like US makes her military might to back up her implied grant of privilege, not an actual right to use dollar.
 
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