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siegecrossbow

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4Runner said:
Shat like that always drives me nuts. Newsweek is a right-leaning mag. Even under the current circumstances in which US needs China more the other way, they still put out propaganda bites such as:

(1) US tells (everybody what to do or not)
(2) China subordinates (they are not in my league)
(3) Grave consequences (we determine others' fate)

"See, we are still in charge; we are dealing with China from a position of strength"

I always think that China should tear down the Great Firewall so that the young generations can see in person the true colors of western propaganda against China (or anything Chinese). Those shat heads still don't get it that by majority of practical measures, China is already a larger economy than US. If they keep doing this for another 10 years and China gets hold of 7nm wafer fab, all bets would be fvcking off.
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Coalescence

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ArmchairAnalyst said:
Ban Russian citizens entry to the EU in response to the Russian ban today.
Reject payment in rubles but declare breach of contract and seize the Russian currency reserves as compensatory damage.
Increase military support to Ukraine.
More MAD shit.
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Wouldn't banning Russian citizens to EU be a good thing for Putin though, because that means Russians wouldn't be able to migrate to another country, unless they somehow revoke their citizenship.

And didn't they already seized Russia's currency reserve in their country? Even if Russia backed off, they still wouldn't get their currency reserves back.

They are already sending weapons to Ukraine either way and planning to do more regardless.
 
4Runner

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Overbom said:
It will be hard. Europe is buying a lot of gas from Russia. However I think that Putin is betting that Germany/EU don't have the guts to cut off Russia gas.

High stakes game
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In poker terms, Russia is calling EU's bluff. As in poker, there is no sure thing unless one holds absolute nuts, which is not the case 99% of time. So at the current stage, let's call it "turn" (4th street), I guess Russia has better odds of winning this gas war against Germany. All Germans should send a "thank you" note to Angela Merkel, because good days are over. I am crossing my fingers and waiting to see if one day BBA is dethroned by Tesla/BYD/NIO/Xpeng/Li EV cohorts.
 
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4Runner said:
All Germans should send a "thank you" note to Angela Merkel, because good days are over.
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Merkel was dismissed by a lot of people in Europe and Germany for her "boring" leadership (economically stealthily colonised the EU but whatever..) and the moment she stepped down and that guy with the CIA agents took over, they have made a huge disaster over everything.

This curse is applicable to Germans today:
"May you live in interesting times"
 
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enroger

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Overbom said:
Merkel was dismissed by a lot of people in Europe and Germany for her "boring" leadership (economically stealthily colonised the EU but whatever..) and the moment she stepped down and that guy with the CIA agents took over, they have made a huge disaster over everything.

This curse is applicable to Germans today:
"May you live in interesting times"
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She was smart enough to straddle the line with Russia, now EU leaders seems to all subordinate to Washington. They're all happy to further US's geopolitical gambit at the cost of EU's interest.... really curious how US managed it
 
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Coalescence said:
Wouldn't banning Russian citizens to EU be a good thing for Putin though, because that means Russians wouldn't be able to migrate to another country, unless they somehow revoke their citizenship.
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Remains to be seen. Probably why the EU didn't do it first. Could just be virtue signaling internally for either sides.

Coalescence said:
And didn't they already seized Russia's currency reserve in their country? Even if Russia backed off, they still wouldn't get their currency reserves back.
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Freezing the currency reserves is not the same thing as actual seizing the lot.

Coalescence said:
They are already sending weapons to Ukraine either way and planning to do more regardless.
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EU can do a lot worse (and more stupid too) than the current level of support to Ukraine.
No-fly zones, heavy armament, air planes ect. Even direct intervention.
Bascially a lot of escalating stuff demanding a Russian counterresponse.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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ArmchairAnalyst said:
Remains to be seen. Probably why the EU didn't do it first. Could just be virtue signaling internally for either sides.



Freezing the currency reserves is not the same thing as actual seizing the lot.



EU can do a lot worse (and more stupid too) than the current level of support to Ukraine.
No-fly zones, heavy armament, air planes ect. Even direct intervention.
Bascially a lot of escalating stuff demanding a Russian counterresponse.
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freezing + sanctions is functionally no different than seizing.

no fly zone = air to air combat with Russian air force and air defenses. Does EU have the capability for that sort of high intensity warfare?

heavy armament = needs to get to the troops. does EU have the capability to move it not only to Ukraine, but to the parts of Ukraine where the fighting is?

airplanes = has to be something Ukrainians are trained on, so Mig-29s only. That was already rejected.

EU has already taken all the long hanging fruit, the only ones left are the bitter and high ones.
 
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