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james smith esq

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Many people have said it before and I will just repeat (but not endorse), if your a visible minority in America and you are pulled over by security forces or have them approach you, you might as well be prepare to go out guns blazing. Yes, you are likely to die but unfortunately that is what would have happened anyways. The truth is the murder of Amir Locke WILL go unpunished (maybe a "suspended sentence" and community service, if we are lucky).

In general, the security forces in the US are too cushy of a job and the perpetrators in these security forces must be taught to understand that it is they, who should fear the people, rather than the other way around. Wouldnt hurt to "necklace" a couple of these racist cops once in a while for good measure.
Look up Mark Essex, he had the correct approach!
 

Tyler

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Our difference is that I don't see Crimea being part of Ukraine to begin with. Crimea is not like Baltic countries for example. Crimea was taken by Russian from Ottoman who itself "annexed" Crimea from the Tartar, then it was "gifted" to Ukraine SSR by Khrushchev. You can call the early Crimean Tartar the "victim" but you can't call Ukraine the victim. The idea of "gift" was based on the expectation that there will never be a divorce. But if one side breaks the promise then don't expect the other side to hold on the bargain. Yes I know there was an agreement at the breakup of USSR, and I won't give a dime to it just like I don't give a dime to any treaty that China signed with foreign powers before 1949.

So I don't see the "annexation" and "Imperialist" to begin with.

Another difference is that you interpret China's support to Russian sovereignty integrity does NOT cover Crimea. For that you quoted an Ukrainian news claiming Chinese official stance. Yet this significant "stance" was neither made public by Ukrainian government, nor Chinese government. That is kind of wishful twist. Now we are seeing the "unlimited friendship better than any alliance" from the highest level. Are you still going to insist on your interpretation of China's "objection of Crimea annexation"? You may disagree with what China is doing, but I can't see how you can hold on to your interpretation. This is the reason of my post #28,637
So can China take back Mongolia?
 

FriedButter

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Navy looks to 3D printing for submarine parts to ease burden on strained industrial base​


This effort would be aimed at the most fragile parts of the submarine industrial base: companies that do castings, forgings and fittings, in particular.

Today, the Navy certifies individual parts to go on submarines. That part-by-part qualification won’t work going forward, Sermon said, advocating for the Navy to instead qualify materials and processes used for additive manufacturing rather than the parts that result from it.
 

taxiya

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So can China take back Mongolia?
No, there is nothing to take back because Republic of China officially recognized (Outer) Mongolia's independence in 1945. And People's Republic of China reaffirmed it in 1950.

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I see where you want go with it. USSR took Crimea from Russian SSR and gave it to Ukraine SSR. I am sure even in the USSR time, Russians would not want to do it, but have to. But unfortunately, ROC willingly and officially gave up (outer) Mongolia without a fight and protest leaving no chance for the future.
 

sinophilia

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No, there is nothing to take back because Republic of China officially recognized (Outer) Mongolia's independence in 1945. And People's Republic of China reaffirmed it in 1950.

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I see where you want go with it. USSR took Crimea from Russian SSR and gave it to Ukraine SSR. I am sure even in the USSR time, Russians would not want to do it, but have to. But unfortunately, ROC willingly and officially gave up (outer) Mongolia without a fight and protest leaving no chance for the future.

There are more Mongolians in China than in Mongolia. In fact there are more Mongolians in China than on the rest of the Earth combined.

There are some ~3.4 million Mongolians in Mongolia. The number of households is under 800,000. The GDP per capita is ~$4k. Giving each Mongolian household $100k would amount to a one-time cost of $80 billion for China. I think a whole lot of Mongolians would be happy to accept such a sum in return for voting for annexation in a referendum, and in fact they would be getting a better life and equal rights in a country which has been as much a part of their civilization as vice versa.

They would be living in a country as equal citizens with a future ahead of them that surpasses any nation before it in Human history, instead of just doing what Mongolians do in Mongolia which is basically more of nothing. Also I doubt that all Mongolians would take up such an offer so the cost would be less than $80 billion anyway. You just need >50% or >66% if they make it two-thirds supermajority.
 

taxiya

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There is a point in time when people must say what's done is done. Countries will always have territorial grievances. At minimal we have to maintain that territorial treaties between UN member states are final, else the foundation of the international system collapses.
True. But in UN charter there is also the self-determination clause where 90% of Crimea population can choose to join Russia. We all know this clause has been used for Kosovans to break away from Serbia, but denied to the Serbs in Bosnia, Catalans and Basks in Spain, Irish in Northern Ireland. So the question is who has the right and who doesn't? What is that "done is done"? The only thing I can see is that so long as people disagree with the status quo, no amount of written principles is going to keep that status quo. The law has to be just and squarely applied, but it is not, law is only valid if people agree to it. For this reason, I wouldn't bother much about the "right or wrong" argument for practical matters.
 
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taxiya

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There are more Mongolians in China than in Mongolia. In fact there are more Mongolians in China than on the rest of the Earth combined.

There are some ~3.4 million Mongolians in Mongolia. The number of households is under 800,000. The GDP per capita is ~$4k. Giving each Mongolian household $100k would amount to a one-time cost of $80 billion for China. I think a whole lot of Mongolians would be happy to accept such a sum in return for voting for annexation in a referendum, and in fact they would be getting a better life and equal rights in a country which has been as much a part of their civilization as vice versa.

They would be living in a country as equal citizens with a future ahead of them instead of just doing what Mongolians do in Mongolia which is basically more of nothing.
I would like to see that happen, but that is totally up to the Mongolian population because they wanted to break away in the 1920s with the Soviet's help. Let's be clear, it was not just the Soviet's meddling, the Mongolian upper class wanted. Same as 13th Dalai Lama and people surrounding him. Tibet remained in China only because Mao send PLA in before the 14th Dalai Lam could get his sponsors to arm him and International recognition.
 

Overbom

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But in UN charter there is also the self-determination clause where 90% of Crimea population can choose to join Russia.
This is also the reason why the entire Central Asian and Eastern Europe countries are racing to eradicate Russian culture/language from their populations.

This is considered (in their opinion) as their number 1 national security risk
 
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