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taxiya

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Phead128 said:
You misunderstand my position.

As a matter of geostrategic policy, I agree and support closer cooperation between China and an Imperialist (Russia) against a Bigger Imperialist (US/West) as it pertains to Ukraine/Crimea.

As a matter of principle, I disagree that China giving an Imperialist (Russia) a 'blank check' to annex any of it's former Soviet space by virtue of its "strong Sino-Russo friendship++ strategic relationship", because it sets up a bad precedent that can hurt China if it is ever weak in the future (e.g. Century of Humiliation, Hong Kong, Unequal treaties).

In generally, I am Anti-Imperialism, and I will continue to call out any imperialism by either side (US or Russia), whether friends of China or not because I have basic principles and don't blindly support a friend because it's a friend.
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Our difference is that I don't see Crimea being part of Ukraine to begin with. Crimea is not like Baltic countries for example. Crimea was taken by Russian from Ottoman who itself "annexed" Crimea from the Tartar, then it was "gifted" to Ukraine SSR by Khrushchev. You can call the early Crimean Tartar the "victim" but you can't call Ukraine the victim. The idea of "gift" was based on the expectation that there will never be a divorce. But if one side breaks the promise then don't expect the other side to hold on the bargain. Yes I know there was an agreement at the breakup of USSR, and I won't give a dime to it just like I don't give a dime to any treaty that China signed with foreign powers before 1949.

So I don't see the "annexation" and "Imperialist" to begin with.

Another difference is that you interpret China's support to Russian sovereignty integrity does NOT cover Crimea. For that you quoted an Ukrainian news claiming Chinese official stance. Yet this significant "stance" was neither made public by Ukrainian government, nor Chinese government. That is kind of wishful twist. Now we are seeing the "unlimited friendship better than any alliance" from the highest level. Are you still going to insist on your interpretation of China's "objection of Crimea annexation"? You may disagree with what China is doing, but I can't see how you can hold on to your interpretation. This is the reason of my post #28,637
 
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daifo said:
I thought it was just some internet trolls having problems with it, but i guess korean ultranationalism is scary and real

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I remember the ultranationalist also forced a entire running TV series (with big starts) to get canceled because it served chinese food or had chinese porcelain in one dining scene of a historic drama
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I am glad to hear that the Ultra Nationalists plan to scrap 10 / 14 annual festivals they have on their traditional calendar. A couple being federal holidays as well.

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taxiya

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FriedButter said:
I am glad to hear that the Ultra Nationalists plan to scrap 10 / 14 annual festivals they have on their traditional calendar. A couple being federal holidays as well.

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No, they will simply claim that these are Korean traditions being copied by Chinese. They even went so far to claim Shang dynasty and its people being Korean. I am expecting them to claim that Chinese characters being Korean invention adopted by China and Japan.
 
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AntiDK said:
Shooting Death of Amir Locke


Minneapolis police shooting Amir Locke about nine seconds after entering an apartment while carrying out a no-knock warrant.

About nine seconds after officers entered the home and announced their presence, officer Mark Hanneman fired his weapon and struck Locke twice in the chest and once in the wrist. Officers provided emergency aid to Locke who died at a nearby hospital, according to a release from the department.
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Many people have said it before and I will just repeat (but not endorse), if your a visible minority in America and you are pulled over by security forces or have them approach you, you might as well be prepare to go out guns blazing. Yes, you are likely to die but unfortunately that is what would have happened anyways. The truth is the murder of Amir Locke WILL go unpunished (maybe a "suspended sentence" and community service, if we are lucky).

In general, the security forces in the US are too cushy of a job and the perpetrators in these security forces must be taught to understand that it is they, who should fear the people, rather than the other way around. Wouldnt hurt to "necklace" a couple of these racist cops once in a while for good measure.
 
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taxiya said:
No, they will simply claim that these are Korean traditions being copied by Chinese. They even went so far to claim Shang dynasty and its people being Korean. I am expecting them to claim that Chinese characters being Korean invention adopted by China and Japan.
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Who's teaching them this? Because no western idiots are even buying that friction.
 
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OppositeDay

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taxiya said:
Our difference is that I don't see Crimea being part of Ukraine to begin with. Crimea is not like Baltic countries for example. Crimea was taken by Russian from Ottoman who itself "annexed" Crimea from the Tartar, then it was "gifted" to Ukraine SSR by Khrushchev. You can call the early Crimean Tartar the "victim" but you can't call Ukraine the victim. The idea of "gift" was based on the expectation that there will never be a divorce. But if one side breaks the promise then don't expect the other side to hold on the bargain. Yes I know there was an agreement at the breakup of USSR, and I won't give a dime to it just like I don't give a dime to any treaty that China signed with foreign powers before 1949.

So I don't see the "annexation" and "Imperialist" to begin with.

Another difference is that you interpret China's support to Russian sovereignty integrity does NOT cover Crimea. For that you quoted an Ukrainian news claiming Chinese official stance. Yet this significant "stance" was neither made public by Ukrainian government, nor Chinese government. That is kind of wishful twist. Now we are seeing the "unlimited friendship better than any alliance" from the highest level. Are you still going to insist on your interpretation of China's "objection of Crimea annexation"? You may disagree with what China is doing, but I can't see how you can hold on to your interpretation. This is the reason of my post #28,637
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There is a point in time when people must say what's done is done. Countries will always have territorial grievances. At minimal we have to maintain that territorial treaties between UN member states are final, else the foundation of the international system collapses.
 
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