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China’s message is clear: ‘If you hit us, we’ll hit back harder’​

The economic and diplomatic crackdown by Beijing on a small EU country demonstrates how tough it is willing to be against those who defy it over Taiwan.

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One of the most notable political dramas of 2021 has been China's showdown with Lithuania. Following the Baltic country's declaration that it would open a “Taiwan representative office” in its country, Beijing denounced it as a violation of its One China policy, specifically over the use of the word Taiwan as opposed to Taipei – which it usually tolerates.

Beijing made it clear that the move was not acceptable, and proceeded to downgrade its ties with the country not once, but twice, expelling its ambassador, a number of diplomats, and reducing relations to a charge d'affaires level.

It hasn’t ended there. China has pursued economic retaliation against Lithuania. The country was reportedly struck off China's customs register temporarily, and Beijing has told multinational companies that they are
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from exporting to Lithuania.

The move has been described as an attempt to cut the small Baltic state out of its supply chains altogether. It is a clear statement of intent aimed at deterring any countries tempted to make the same move as Vilnius. Meanwhile, Lithuania has secured a $600 million import credit loan from the United States, a demonstration perhaps of who put them up to the move in the first place.

Washington circles have been throwing one of their doublespeak terms around a lot to describe the backlash from China, calling it “economic coercion.” It's a misleading and cynical term, especially as it seems to be only applied to China's retaliation against countries, and never about America's brutal and all-encompassing sanctions regimes against multiple countries.

There's also been demands that other EU nations “stand in solidarity” with Lithuania, invoking the rhetoric of ‘democracy’, ‘shared values’, but one of Washington’s biggest sources of frustration is that this doesn't seem to be happening in any serious manner.
In the past week, Xi Jinping held his first phone call with the new German leader, Olaf Scholz, who
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his desire to deepen economic ties with China and affirm the comprehensive agreement on investment (CAI).

That was the first piece of bad news for America, particularly as it was widely hoped and demanded that the new chancellor would take a harder line against Beijing following Merkel's long era of engagement, which DC circles despised. Then the German Chamber of Commerce in the Baltics wrote a letter to the Lithuanian government saying that if the China dispute is not resolved, they might be
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to rethink their presence in the country and cut investment and jobs.

Once you cut through the rhetoric, the reality is that Vilnius has dug itself into a hole and the EU won't go out on a limb for it. Talk of unity and solidarity may be the politically correct statements of the day, but that cannot change the practical reality that Lithuania has made a unilateral foreign policy decision against the stance of the entire bloc, at the behest of the US, intentionally pressed against China's red lines, and has incurred retaliation. It is a self-inflicted diplomatic blunder which has provoked a far tougher response from Beijing than Vilnius perhaps anticipated.

relationship to China is not important. Beijing has no specific goals or aspirations from the country, and in normal times it would never be a focus of attention. Beijing is acting harshly to establish a deterrence for others. From its point of view, its one China Policy is non-negotiable, and sovereignty must always come first.

Beijing’s biggest fear is that Lithuania's actions, which come at a time when Taiwan is pushing ‘provocation diplomacy’ to try to get others to push against China, may set a precedent which encourages others to do the same. This would weaken China's position and allow Taiwan to expand its political space on its own terms.

What makes it worse is that Lithuania's attitude has been intentionally provocative, hostile, and emboldened by the legacy of anti-communism in the Baltics, encouraged by the United States, such as for example, its decision to
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from the 17+1 bloc with China earlier this year. As a result, China has gone to lengths it has never gone to before, in order to make an example out of Vilnius and to demonstrate to other countries the consequences of violating their diplomatic commitments, which extend far beyond rhetorical condemnation.

Whilst Lithuania is not the only anti-China nation in the former Soviet bloc of Eastern Europe, Beijing’s reaction is intended to make many countries think again about showing support for Taiwan at the highest level. Two important countries here are the Czech Republic and Poland, who are favorable to economic and trade ties with China, but nonetheless wrestling with growing political sentiment at the grassroots level, and
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also making efforts to court them.

China hopes, by attempting to isolate Lithuania within Europe, it can put a lid on how far this will go.

Its new-found ability to pursue extraterritorial sanctions, combined with its enormous economic clout, effectively means many governments have limited means to respond to it. It is in China’s strategic interest that the EU does not fully take America’s side, but throughout 2021 the message has been persistently clear: “If you hit us, we’ll hit back harder.” In other words, it will use both carrots and sticks to keep the bloc in line.

As it punishes Lithuania, Beijing continues to woo France and Germany. Hungary under Viktor Orban continues to be the most pro-China state of the bloc, while Beijing has recently rekindled engagement with Greece. These myriad relationships all put curbs on how far ‘anti-China’ sentiment on the continent can go at a collective level.

While the EU still may lodge formal protests over Lithuania and demand a resolution, Beijing seems comfortable that its decision to take on Vilnius is a calculated risk which won't cause large scale consequences. It believes other EU states are unlikely to put their interests on the line in order to suffer on behalf of Vilnius, which is for all intents and purposes unilaterally undermining the EU's collective foreign policy position by pursuing confrontation with China at Washington’s behest.

Is China prepared for a fight over its position on Taiwan? Yes, there should be no doubt about it, it’s made that abundantly clear this year. Is the European Union willing and ready to unite completely against its largest trading partner when it is already in a fragile economic situation? No way.
 

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China’s message is clear: ‘If you hit us, we’ll hit back harder’​

The economic and diplomatic crackdown by Beijing on a small EU country demonstrates how tough it is willing to be against those who defy it over Taiwan.

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One of the most notable political dramas of 2021 has been China's showdown with Lithuania. Following the Baltic country's declaration that it would open a “Taiwan representative office” in its country, Beijing denounced it as a violation of its One China policy, specifically over the use of the word Taiwan as opposed to Taipei – which it usually tolerates.

Beijing made it clear that the move was not acceptable, and proceeded to downgrade its ties with the country not once, but twice, expelling its ambassador, a number of diplomats, and reducing relations to a charge d'affaires level.

It hasn’t ended there. China has pursued economic retaliation against Lithuania. The country was reportedly struck off China's customs register temporarily, and Beijing has told multinational companies that they are
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from exporting to Lithuania.

The move has been described as an attempt to cut the small Baltic state out of its supply chains altogether. It is a clear statement of intent aimed at deterring any countries tempted to make the same move as Vilnius. Meanwhile, Lithuania has secured a $600 million import credit loan from the United States, a demonstration perhaps of who put them up to the move in the first place.

Washington circles have been throwing one of their doublespeak terms around a lot to describe the backlash from China, calling it “economic coercion.” It's a misleading and cynical term, especially as it seems to be only applied to China's retaliation against countries, and never about America's brutal and all-encompassing sanctions regimes against multiple countries.

There's also been demands that other EU nations “stand in solidarity” with Lithuania, invoking the rhetoric of ‘democracy’, ‘shared values’, but one of Washington’s biggest sources of frustration is that this doesn't seem to be happening in any serious manner.
In the past week, Xi Jinping held his first phone call with the new German leader, Olaf Scholz, who
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his desire to deepen economic ties with China and affirm the comprehensive agreement on investment (CAI).

That was the first piece of bad news for America, particularly as it was widely hoped and demanded that the new chancellor would take a harder line against Beijing following Merkel's long era of engagement, which DC circles despised. Then the German Chamber of Commerce in the Baltics wrote a letter to the Lithuanian government saying that if the China dispute is not resolved, they might be
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to rethink their presence in the country and cut investment and jobs.

Once you cut through the rhetoric, the reality is that Vilnius has dug itself into a hole and the EU won't go out on a limb for it. Talk of unity and solidarity may be the politically correct statements of the day, but that cannot change the practical reality that Lithuania has made a unilateral foreign policy decision against the stance of the entire bloc, at the behest of the US, intentionally pressed against China's red lines, and has incurred retaliation. It is a self-inflicted diplomatic blunder which has provoked a far tougher response from Beijing than Vilnius perhaps anticipated.

relationship to China is not important. Beijing has no specific goals or aspirations from the country, and in normal times it would never be a focus of attention. Beijing is acting harshly to establish a deterrence for others. From its point of view, its one China Policy is non-negotiable, and sovereignty must always come first.

Beijing’s biggest fear is that Lithuania's actions, which come at a time when Taiwan is pushing ‘provocation diplomacy’ to try to get others to push against China, may set a precedent which encourages others to do the same. This would weaken China's position and allow Taiwan to expand its political space on its own terms.

What makes it worse is that Lithuania's attitude has been intentionally provocative, hostile, and emboldened by the legacy of anti-communism in the Baltics, encouraged by the United States, such as for example, its decision to
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from the 17+1 bloc with China earlier this year. As a result, China has gone to lengths it has never gone to before, in order to make an example out of Vilnius and to demonstrate to other countries the consequences of violating their diplomatic commitments, which extend far beyond rhetorical condemnation.

Whilst Lithuania is not the only anti-China nation in the former Soviet bloc of Eastern Europe, Beijing’s reaction is intended to make many countries think again about showing support for Taiwan at the highest level. Two important countries here are the Czech Republic and Poland, who are favorable to economic and trade ties with China, but nonetheless wrestling with growing political sentiment at the grassroots level, and
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also making efforts to court them.

China hopes, by attempting to isolate Lithuania within Europe, it can put a lid on how far this will go.

Its new-found ability to pursue extraterritorial sanctions, combined with its enormous economic clout, effectively means many governments have limited means to respond to it. It is in China’s strategic interest that the EU does not fully take America’s side, but throughout 2021 the message has been persistently clear: “If you hit us, we’ll hit back harder.” In other words, it will use both carrots and sticks to keep the bloc in line.

As it punishes Lithuania, Beijing continues to woo France and Germany. Hungary under Viktor Orban continues to be the most pro-China state of the bloc, while Beijing has recently rekindled engagement with Greece. These myriad relationships all put curbs on how far ‘anti-China’ sentiment on the continent can go at a collective level.

While the EU still may lodge formal protests over Lithuania and demand a resolution, Beijing seems comfortable that its decision to take on Vilnius is a calculated risk which won't cause large scale consequences. It believes other EU states are unlikely to put their interests on the line in order to suffer on behalf of Vilnius, which is for all intents and purposes unilaterally undermining the EU's collective foreign policy position by pursuing confrontation with China at Washington’s behest.

Is China prepared for a fight over its position on Taiwan? Yes, there should be no doubt about it, it’s made that abundantly clear this year. Is the European Union willing and ready to unite completely against its largest trading partner when it is already in a fragile economic situation? No way.
I must admit, this Tom Fowdy is an excellent writer and would be a terrific propagandist for Beijing. I've also been paying attention to his tweets from his main and from the Chollima Report account. Extremely scintillating.

It almost makes me want to forgive him for his adulterating over Chinese girls.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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The Silent Sea gets released yesterday and already is a global hit on Netflix. I'm binge watching it myself. This year alone, the top rated TV shows on Netflix are all Korean: Squid Game (#1), Hellbound (#1), and Silent Sea already in the top 3 after 24 hours and probably top 1 in a few more hours. Even Cowboy Bebop stars a Korean male lead.

Envious.

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ansy1968

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Jokes on you, infrastructure funding has been cancelled.

@Crang bro BYD and CATL had made a wise decision not to invest and build factory in the US even at the behest of Apple or Tesla. They will be harvested , they had learned from Huawei and TSMC and China is a major market for EV anyway. America is way behind even with subsidies.
 

badoc

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View attachment 80397

Now that I get the full view of the Tiananmen Square Massacre memorial, I realize it just looks like a pile of poop
Those fools were actually commemorating a memorial for the Holocaust.
On close inspection, the victims are Caucasian looking and were nude or near naked, exactly what happened in Holocaust.

Definitely nothing to do with Tiananmen Square, afraid no naked female Caucasian victims there.
Those cockroaches didn't realize it all this time.
I wonder how these DELUDED PEOPLE can get admitted to University.
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windsclouds2030

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I must admit, this Tom Fowdy is an excellent writer and would be a terrific propagandist for Beijing. I've also been paying attention to his tweets from his main and from the Chollima Report account. Extremely scintillating.

It almost makes me want to forgive him for his adulterating over Chinese girls.
I already said this essence earlier though not as eloquent as your lines... and already forgave him long ago,,,, just a manly slip over one of the three biggest obstacles for any normal man :p still like his many writings
 

Heliox

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Well, this is just my opinion, but these Americans should be allowed in by the Chinese authorities.

It is about being a gracious winner. Do the right thing.

We can say two things about this diplomatic boycott of the Winter Olympics Games in Beijing in a few weeks.

1) a diplomatic boycott is entirely symbolic, without real consequences

2) no one really even bothered to give that meaningless gesture, a gesture, as the list of who is doing this diplomatic boycott is about 5

Isn't there like over a 50 countries participating in the winter games? Only 5 would bother with these antics.

This is a clear diplomatic victory for the PRC.

Winners should be gracious.

Those Americans officials should be allowed in, but they must quarantine themselves.

The last time American officials came into China for a sporting event, the World Military games, after that, all hell broke loose with the pandemic.

:oops:

I disagree.

Masquerading state department people as security and tech support is just nonsense and should be treated for the nonsense that it is. All functional members of a contingent are always medical or members of the relevant sports federations - NOT state dept. It being an olympic event, USOPC reps are also legit members of the contingent but USOPC is not state dept. and i doubt they are part of the boycott anyways.

Besides, security at sporting events is provided by the host. Allowing external "security" personnel is both an accusation by the applicant that they do not trust the host ability and a tacit admission by the host that they are not capable. Coordinating multiple sops and protocols between host and 3rd party security is just a recipe for disaster.

It is therefore not an issue of being gracious but being taken for a fool.
If they have legit members of the sports contingent - they will apply as such
If they are not legit, then they can f-off to where their boycott came from

This is example of the US short-sightedness because they want to take a hit on China for show. I guess the US embassy could've done the work but think about if you have a diplomatic boycott and something happens "diplomatically" with US athletes, who's there to represent them? Remember when South Korea had the summer Olympics and for some reason an American athlete thought he had the right to steal Korean antiquities and take it home. What are the chances an American athlete who wants to make a political statement against China. I believe some US politicians were actually pushing for that to happen. Or how about another (British) man raping a Chinese girl out in public... No diplomatic representative... Oh well...

There is a US embassy and 4 US consulates in China. Plenty of diplomatic staff already in country to handle any such incidents.

No need to pretend to bring in some more
 
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