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The European Union’s bid to compete with China’s Belt and Road Initiative is doomed to failure because Brussels is incapable of cajoling its members into singing from the same hymn sheet.

On Wednesday the European Commission revealed a proposed
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The project strives for member states and private sector financiers to come together and invest in an “alternative” for infrastructure needs across the developing world. It comes at a time when Western nations are all proposing new brands to “counter” China’s massive spree of overseas infrastructure financing, including America’s “Build Back Better” as well as the UK’s much smaller scheme announced under Liz Truss. It seems to be the Western agenda of the time is a multilateral, yet individual, gamut of projects all designed to counter Beijing. Incidentally, they also seem to give the impression that they wouldn't really care about developing countries if it weren’t for that.

As set out in the BBC report, even though it does not name China directly, it is a naked battle for influence and there’s no effort to hide that. But of course, the jury is out, is it truly an “alternative”? And can they pull off their grand vision successfully? The answer put simply is, ‘no’. The European Union is, collectively speaking, the single most poorly positioned and ill-suited actor in this grand “scramble for infrastructure” going. For a plethora of reasons, this project will never ever live up to its promises, let alone compete with the monolithic, highly organized mantra of the Belt and Road Initiative.

Why so? The answer is not so much structural, as political. It’s a matter of “how” as opposed to “if” or “why”. Ideally speaking, why would any countries turn down increased infrastructure spending from Europe? No matter where you stand on the China spectrum, it’s a good opportunity. Germany is particularly famed for its engineering prowess. France is also a successful country when it comes to infrastructure, there’s a reason why China participates with them in their own nuclear energy initiatives at home. Europe has quality, experience, and success. But that isn’t the same thing as trying to singlehandedly organize a visionary global infrastructure scheme applied to developing countries, is it? And given how Europe is politically and economically organized, and how they plan to implement these projects, it is bound to run into trouble.

China is a single party, hierarchic Communist state which coordinates its mega Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) through an almost command and control system of state-owned banks and engineering and construction enterprises, which work in near perfect unison with China’s Foreign Ministry. When China wants something done from the top, it gets done, and the task jumps through all bureaucratic hoops. For example,
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. On the other hand, the European Union is a bureaucratic ensemble of 26 different countries existing in a supranational organization that has limited collective sovereignty and attempts to function by establishing points of unity and consensus amongst its members. Institutions such as the European Commission attempt to guide and induce legislation, but ultimately act as referees and have little power to entice, let alone compel, states to act.

The European Union is not a “state” and cannot function as a coherent body on the global stage without setting the bar very low. This makes it extraordinarily more challenging to coordinate large transnational finance projects, with a separate private sector, in the way China can. They rely on the goodwill and presumed cooperation of companies and banks, who will be interested in some things, but will ultimately consider many countries China has dived headfirst into as undesirable, high risk or financially unpalatable. The EU can't “force” companies to invest and nor can they so readily jump through all the hoops whilst insisting on “standards”. This not only means projects are less likely to materialize but will take significantly longer to come about too.

Secondly, you might be mistaken thinking the European Union is a union of prosperous equals, it is not. The EU is suffering myriad economic problems, it is in a state of stagnation and has a huge north-south and west-east divide in wealth. It cannot even address its own infrastructure needs, let alone those of other countries. Last week on a trip to Greece, a country that has lost 50% of its entire GDP since 2007 thanks to European financial mismanagement, I discovered the grim reality of Athens Central Railway station, which does not even have a working information screen, and only has aging, graffiti covered rolling stock. How can some EU states be content to cough up €300 billion, across seven years, into an ambitious geopolitically motivated overseas infrastructure race, when such widespread problems at home remain? Is this fair?

These internal divisions are real. We see the scale of the struggle over even the most important things, such as the EU recovery fund last year in the midst of Covid, how one of its most important member states literally quit, and how a new wave of economic damage is surely on its way with Omicron and the growing number of lockdowns across the continent. Then you have dissenting states such as Poland and Hungary, who may seek to upend, delay and block the entire thing as part of wrestling their sovereignty away from the institution. Doesn’t it speak volumes that Budapest is getting China to build its high-speed railways? Where is Brussels amidst all this? In many aspects, the EU can barely keep itself together, let alone coordinate this. It wants to compete with the BRI but can’t actually keep the BRI out of its own territory.

Finally, whilst €300 billion sounds like a lot, it is only a fraction of the BRI in real terms.
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in the first quarter of 2020, the value of belt and road projects exceeded US$4 trillion for the first time. Among these, 1,590 projects – valued at $1.9 trillion – were BRI projects, while 1,574 other projects with a combined value of $2.1 trillion were classified as “Projects with Chinese involvement
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showing the EU is offering too little, and too late,

The EU are jumping headlong into a pie-in-the-sky grand scheme which, though they would bring tangible benefits on paper, is ultimately and fatally devoid of realism. A loose gathering of states mired with all kinds of problems wants to try and compete with the engine-like unity of a Communist economic giant. What we see today is little more than a public relations stunt which very well could be doomed from the start, simply because Europe is bad, and will continue to be bad, at making things happen.
 

solarz

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Ask Jean Chretien on what he thought of his own governments handling of the abduction of Meng (Huawei) essentially saying that Justin Trudeau was forced by the Americans against their will to do something he obviously didn't want his country to make and did it anyway. But Chretien said he would have chosen a different path and in my opinion I believe him because that's what he did when he declined in joining with the Americans and her merry band of coalition of the willing with illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003.

ON CHINA

Speaking about the state of Canada-China relations, he said that the federal government needs to deal with the reality that China is a superpower like the Americans, and that the Canadian government shouldn’t think they could tell them what to do.

In Chretien’s view, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government handled the matter of formerly detained Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor differently than he would have, saying they “were the victim of the government of America.”

The United States forced us, and the government decided to go along with it, because they thought that they had no choice. I thought they had a choice,” he said, referencing the proposal of a prisoner exchange, which the government has said would have been rewarding hostage diplomacy.

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Chretien is the last real prime minister we've had.
 

windsclouds2030

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hazing noun North American English
the imposition of strenuous, often humiliating, tasks as part of a program of rigorous physical training and initiation

humiliating and sometimes dangerous initiation rituals, especially as imposed on college students seeking membership to a fraternity or sorority.


Some Viet girls are having good fun, may be the incentive is significant to engage them, or the simpletons thought it's just a mocking, why be shy... why took it serious.... one or two or few of such fun occurrences are fine, but if too often, that's no longer healthy. I just don't think the Vietnamese society or government will feel okay with such fun show.
 

getready

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With the full support of the FUWL board of directors, I am announcing the immediate withdrawal of all FUWL participation in WTA tournaments!

God what a fucking blowhard.

But yea, this is kinda what China's missing when you come to this propaganda. The west exaggerates China's missteps and downplays their own atrocities. We know this. We always see the two levels of standards - if this was equal, both FINA and World Gymnastics would've pulled out of the US long ago for their systematic rape of their young women in the US programs.

If China has any capability in under-handedness, they'd start tying this guy Steve Simon to Epstein. Of course, it needs to come from a third party (or perceived third party, this is why the US's vassals are useful) but of course China's too honorable to do so.
It's too late. The west already hyped up this sleaze bag Simon guy like some kind of hero who stood up to China willing to sacrificing millions Chinese money.
I had to put up with articles like these everyday.


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Basically spinning and twisting facts.
Ignoring the fact china already suspended wta tournaments to protect their citizens from covid risk since it started. And those of us tennis fans familiar with wta know of this guy to be greedy money man who courted china hard before covid to get that huge Chinese investment. Outside of the slams, wta were either losing alot of money or not getting any investments at all in the rest of the world. Somehow this guy becomes a hero now lol.
 

getready

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I see it differently. When you respond to someone's accusations, you're put on the defensive. If those accusations are bald-faced lies, then by responding and thus defending yourself, you are only making it seem like the accusations are genuine.

Case in point, as far as I'm aware, the only evidence of what Peng Shuai allegedly did was an image of her supposed Weibo post, which could have been easily doctored and which in fact contains plenty of telltale signs of being faked. Yet even here, there are still posters here who assume a priori that Peng actually posted that.

So for official Chinese media to respond to the accusation would be giving it credence when it deserves none.
I think offfical media didn't engage which is smart and only Hu basically did much of the rebutting. There were some ambassadors on twitter tweeting this but not much. The point we disagree I guess is if chinese media and government should just totally keep quiet on this. At that point when it blew up I am sure something needed to be said as a response to avoid the west dominating this narrative 100%. However it seems like after the rebuttals, the Western narrative still dominate like 90%. Maybe it just wasn't worth it lol.
I think here is our difference: IMO "picking up that shit in any way" is playing along, "Total ignoring" is strength.
OK I get your point. At that time I don't think letting them just have their say and not responding is strength but I can see why others will disagree with me.
 

getready

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To teach WTA a lesson there is no need to ban them as it wont benefit China and wont badly harm WTA. WTA determined that not holding any tournaments in China wont do much economic damage to them.

WTA like any other sporting body depends on Sponsors to survive. Its the sponsors who pay their bills. Now if we look at WTA official partners on their website its Porsche, WHOOP, SAP. China is Porsches largest market, WHOOP produces all its wearable's in China.
Then we also have a ton of companies that sponsor WTA tournaments annually . Nike, UNIQLO, Audi etc.
Now again China is either the largest or second largest market for most of these companies.

Simply threaten these sponsors to withdraw from WTA or lose the China market. Won't exactly be a difficult choice for them. I say China should start with Porsche and ask them to pullout. Cant exactly feast on the Chinese car market while also sponsor a China hating sporting body can you? Once WTA feels the heats from sponsors watch how they'll reverse all their moves in days and even start positive PR.

Sometimes its better to whip someone into submission than to banish them.
Good idea. Dun forget the Chinese brands too. Oppo have sponsored before although not as a major one.

Another way to make example of WTA is to support the ATP more seeing as how they have avoided standing with WTA on this.

The only drawback I fear is how negatively the female Chinese players will be affected. Respectable male Chinese players are non existent right now unfortunately. If this issue continues to blow up, the development of female players would be jeopardised.
 

getready

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This is the hard truth about Malaysia that the govt and its supporters are trying to ignore. There won't be a bounce back. Just a relative normalization. Malaysia has been talking about bouncing back from the: 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, 2008 US Subprime Crisis, 2015 1MDB Scandal & Ringgit Crisis, and the current Covid-19 pandemic. Malaysia has never truly bounced back from even the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis. The governance of Malaysia is now worse than ever. So why should we be confident now?

Now, there is indication by Malaysia about wanting to revive the Malaysia-Singapore HSR. Now, after the compensation and separation of the previously canceled HSR project had only just been completed in January this year.
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Why the sudden change of mind? It was only back in 2019 that Malaysia under the then PM Mahathir Mohammad, was so eager to cancel the project. Mainly just to spite Singapore and Najib Razak, the previous PM. The Malaysian government must have suddenly realized how stupid they were. Because they really are that stupid. They must have looked with envy at the HSR projects that are ongoing or completed in: Thailand, Laos, and Indonesia. But will Singapore agree this time? And who could blame them if they don't? Would you even trust Malaysia after what they did? Its schoolboy level of foreign relations!


This Malay supremacy ideology has been the most harmful thing to happen in Malaysia. On the surface, it divides Malaysia into the "Bumiputeras (mostly Malays)" and the "non-Bumiputeras (others)". The Bumiputeras enjoys more favourable loans, education, government sector work opportunities, and even child-raising assistance. Think of China's own preferential treatment for minorities, but inverted, for the Malay majority. The original aim is to rebalance wealth that was traditionally focused in the more enterprising Malaysian Chinese communities to the Malays. It started in 1971, and was called the New Economic Policy (NEP).

But over many decades, this NEP had ironically not worked. The majority of the Malays still live below the middle class range, and there is still a sizable number of them still below the poverty line. The wealth gap has even increased ever since. Why? Its simple, the NEP was hijacked by the corrupt. Instead of helping the majority of Malays, it benefited only the politicians, and their elite gangs of families and cronies. Its only these small percentage of Malay elites that gets most of the good stuff. The rest of the Malay population can barely get any real wealth opportunities, and are only given spare change once in awhile to keep them content.

The real damage of this Malay supremacy ideology is in the education and culture. Most Malays are educated from birth that they are 'special' and that they have some kind of privilege. The kings of Malaysia are Malays, Islam is the state religion, Malaysia must be ruled by Malays only, supremacy of the Malay race vs the other races who are merely just subjects. This created a culture of entitlement. That the Malays are entitled to opportunities, and wealth. That they don't have to earn them. If any Malays are missing out on the gravy train, then the Chinese are typically blamed for whatever reasons. That's why race riots have happened, and why Sinophobia is popular.

This Malay supremacy ideology creates a generally anti-competitive mindset among the Malays. It made most of them very complacent by Asian standards. Workplace professionalism is not taken seriously, especially among the younger generation. Hence they find less and less working opportunities in the private sector. When you come to Malaysia for a business trip, pay attention to the factory floors. Factory floor workers are primarily staffed by foreign labour from Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar, Indonesia, etc. The local Malays want more wages for less professionalism on their end. If you are a multinational corporation wanting to open a factory in Asia, why open in Malaysia? Why not do it directly in Indonesia or Bangladesh? Less agent fees to pay.

I've witnessed the damaging effect of the Malay supremacy ideology. That is why I am confident, that unless there is a major overhaul in its leadership, Malaysia's future is pretty much screwed.

PS: Hindutva and Jai Hind ideology in India is quite similar to Malay supremacy ideology in Malaysia. Entitlement and privileges without merit. So it's interesting to see where India is heading.
There is a stereotype of native Indonesians as lazy too. Compared to the industrious and efficient Chinese Indonesians. Mostlyy I guess cause of their success as merchants and punching above their weight in business commerce. I wonder if it's also due to the similar bumiputera mindset and policy in the past.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I think offfical media didn't engage which is smart and only Hu basically did much of the rebutting. There were some ambassadors on twitter tweeting this but not much. The point we disagree I guess is if chinese media and government should just totally keep quiet on this. At that point when it blew up I am sure something needed to be said as a response to avoid the west dominating this narrative 100%. However it seems like after the rebuttals, the Western narrative still dominate like 90%. Maybe it just wasn't worth it lol.

What are their possible responses?

1. Respond as if the post was real:
- Doesn't matter what the response is, it will just cement in people's minds that Peng was sexually assaulted by Zhang. Even if the media plays up the consensual aspect, Zhang's reputation will be destroyed, and legally he would need to be investigated. All for a photoshop'd image.

2. Deny the post is real.
- What if Peng got compromised and went public with the claim that the post was real? Then the Chinese media would lose a huge amount of credibility. Peng isn't exactly trustworthy to start with (search for "我女儿是彭帅" to see what kind of mom she has).
 
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