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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Well... Indians are the most efficient in the number of people transported per train, even if it does top out at 40km/hour. And the fares are the best: free if you can hang on... but it might cost you your life if you can't...
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bajingan

Senior Member
@Overbom Bro I want to warned our Indonesian members here, @bajingan bro Irian Jaya is the next target. If that fall like what happen in Timor, your western flank is vulnerable and your country will be balkanized.
@ansy bro the situation in irian jaya is not getting better since indonesian army has not been able to stop the flow of weapons from australia via png
balkanization of indonesia has been australia objective since day one
Luckily our defence minister prabowo has some spine in him, he recently declared indonesia long held non aligned position, by recognising both China and us respective interests in the region
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
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South America may be geographically distant from Southeast Asia, but there are now many existing and emerging similarities between the two regions.
Like South America, Southeast Asian countries, with the notable exception of Singapore, are struggling to develop the more advanced industries so necessary to transition from simple employment-led economic expansion to more sustainable productivity-led growth.

It is true that there are pockets of manufacturing excellence within the region, but these are geographically concentrated and often not at the scale to be internationally competitive. The region's manufacturers are instead generally low-order and domestically-orientated, despite numerous but frequently futile efforts to develop more advanced sectors.

In fact, many Southeast Asian countries have experienced premature deindustrialization given their positions in the development cycle. And it may now be too late to reverse this trend. In the same way, South America failed to develop their manufacturing sectors in the face of American and European competition, Southeast Asia's producers will almost certainly struggle against hypercompetitive Chinese imports.
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Not only is there a lack of regionally coordinated industrial policies -- important if Southeast Asian countries are to develop complementary rather than competitive industrial structures -- but there is a widespread reluctance to invest in the necessary human capital. Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines, for example, all spend significantly less on education, as a proportion of GDP, than Brazil, Argentina and Mexico.
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As of now, the evidence is not promising, especially as certain trends are becoming more entrenched. In the same way South America struggled in the shadow of the U.S., Southeast Asia faces a difficult outlook as China's economic edge. This is already being reflected in differing economic performances. Indonesia's GDP per capita, in constant dollar terms, was 87% of China's in 2000 but just 37% in 2020, while Thailand's fell from 164% to 61% over the same period.
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If such a fate is to be avoided, countries across the region need to learn from South America and take action now.

A lot of those countries in Southeast Asia first need to attain middle income status to begin with. They would be lucky to be in the position of the Southern American countries already. Indonesia and the Phillipines have issues with geography being huge archipelagos with large local communities with different races, religions, or languages. Indonesia needs to focus on developing its larger islands first and modernize its infrastructure and they seem to be doing precisely that. The Phillipines are also doing massive investments in infrastructure. Those should be followed by investments into basic education and some sort of industrialization. I know Indonesia had several misguided efforts in the 1990s to industrialize but I am not as familiar with the situation in the Philippines. Without industry, there is little hope these places will be anything other than primary goods exporters and tourist destinations.
 

NiuBiDaRen

Brigadier
Registered Member
A lot of those countries in Southeast Asia first need to attain middle income status to begin with. They would be lucky to be in the position of the Southern American countries already. Indonesia and the Phillipines have issues with geography being huge archipelagos with large local communities with different races, religions, or languages. Indonesia needs to focus on developing its larger islands first and modernize its infrastructure and they seem to be doing precisely that. The Phillipines are also doing massive investments in infrastructure. Those should be followed by investments into basic education and some sort of industrialization. I know Indonesia had several misguided efforts in the 1990s to industrialize but I am not as familiar with the situation in the Philippines. Without industry, there is little hope these places will be anything other than primary goods exporters and tourist destinations.
I think only Vietnam will break through. It has a decently hardworking workforce, a government that can force through changes because of authoritarianism. Also it benefits from proximity to China, relative lack of secessionist threats. It has a very strong renewable energy policy backed by feed in tariffs and is one of the world hotspots for offshore wind projects - government is very enthusiastic about it. With 100 million people and decent governmental policy, it should be a middle power by 2050.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
Over the last three years, Southeast Asian entities secured just 19,300 patent grants, not much more than Australia's 17,300 over the same period and significantly fewer than South Korea's 424,600. Furthermore, much of Southeast Asia's innovation is concentrated in Singapore and, to a lesser extent, Malaysia. There is little evidence that the rest of the region, especially Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand, have the innovation capabilities required for longer-term growth.

It's strange how the author mentions patents, but does not mention the level of R&D spending

China has the distinction of having an exceptionally high level of R&D spending, for what is still a middle-income country
R&D spending intensity is currently at 2.4% of GDP, which is twice the level of any other country which is low-income or middle-income

Furthermore, Chinese R&D spending is still seeing significant growth every year

This is not to say that the region will not achieve economic growth. On current trajectories, though, it will continue to underperform China and will struggle to achieve the necessary economic momentum to escape the middle-income trap over the longer term.
If such a fate is to be avoided, countries across the region need to learn from South America and take action now.

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So shouldn't the closing statement be "countries across the region need to learn from South America China and take action now.
Learning from South America isn't going to get them anywhere
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
A lot of those countries in Southeast Asia first need to attain middle income status to begin with. They would be lucky to be in the position of the Southern American countries already. Indonesia and the Phillipines have issues with geography being huge archipelagos with large local communities with different races, religions, or languages. Indonesia needs to focus on developing its larger islands first and modernize its infrastructure and they seem to be doing precisely that. The Phillipines are also doing massive investments in infrastructure. Those should be followed by investments into basic education and some sort of industrialization. I know Indonesia had several misguided efforts in the 1990s to industrialize but I am not as familiar with the situation in the Philippines. Without industry, there is little hope these places will be anything other than primary goods exporters and tourist destinations.
@gelgoog bro from our stage of economic and social development, we need to graduate from feudal and oligarchy society to unleash our potential. As long as few families hold 80% of our nation wealth and hold absolute political control we will follow the foot step of most Latin American countries (share the same religion Catholics, political system Presidential system and socio economic problems). Similarities aside another factor is the US, like the Monroe doctrine being a former American colony, A prosperous Philippine is anathema to their interest.
 
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